A similar statement was madeI haven't seen any defense news account reporting this. It's most likely false news.
This statement maybe new as the third sentence was not part of the previous statement.
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A similar statement was madeI haven't seen any defense news account reporting this. It's most likely false news.
Temel kotil originally made this statement one year ago in this TV broadcast, And It was right before elections. So We need to take this with a lot grain of salt.
Temel Kotil
- Kaan being delivered in 2028 will be 100% domestic including engine and ejection seat!
Sounds they are now even more confident about TF35K
TF10000 is not the Kaan engine TF35000 is.Since no one still wants to make any kind of engine comparisons for proofs, I will start
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Specific weight
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 116
M88-3 = 115
EJ200 = 131
Izd. 117 = 119
Specific Thrust
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 100
M88-3 = 98
EJ200 = 94
Izd. 117 = 94
SFC (specific fuel consumption)
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 125
M88-3 = 110
EJ200 = 112
Izd. 117 = 110
The 1st stage engine of the Su-57(izd 117) has a lower thrust than the F-22 but it consumes lesser fuel than the F-22. The 2nd stage has the same thrust as the F-22 but its fuel consumption is much less than the F-22 and 1st stage engine. Russia and the U.S. are the only countries bragging about 3 stream variable cycle engines but they have yet to put them on aircrafts and fly them. Your date on the 2nd stage engines is wrong to, they are getting them in 2024 for the next batch and onwards.
But the US has an excuse on why they didn't further continue any new engines for the F-22 and just go with NGAD. The Service life of the AL-41F1 is 4000 hours which seems the same as the F-22
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I know they are throwing around 8000 hours of life expectancy for the F-35.
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But I cant find anything on the service life of the Su-57 send stage engine which is assumed to be better in-service life than the 1st stage.
Anyone got disagreements with these statements here? I saw the thrust capabilities of the proposed TEI 10000 https://www.tei.com.tr/uploads/docs/1692366676_tei-tf10000en.pdf?1693078623
Am I reading this right?
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the dry and wet performance looks like is 1/2 of either Su-57 or F-22 engines? is this like the maximum or minimum thrust estimates they gave?
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You are talking about the KAAN being a full-fledged 5th generation production aircraft because of its engines before the Russians make the Su-57 a full fledge 5th gen because of its engines. So did TEI gave like low estimates on what I see here to make the aircraft fly, or they are keeping the maximum a secret before I draw any comparisons on the 1st stage Su-57 towards it? If worse comes to worse on its confirmed performance than maybe some options of buying russian engines is always a great idea in case things go south with the US since Russia has a 2nd UEC building being built.
OK that makes a lot of sense now, thanks.TF10000 is not the Kaan engine TF35000 is.
We haven't seen any sing of an ejection seat other than it being mentioned a few times in passing. And a prototype already existing has just a little bit more chance than me jumping off a bridge and start flying. Not only because TF6000 just had its first ignition, but also there is no way in hell they would keep quiet about it.Any chance of the ejection seat being in production in 2028? How far has its development advanced? The engine in 2028... if today a prototype were built and ready to fire up, I would be inclined to give Mr Kotil's statement some credence.
Haha, someone (First letter is "me") told about a factory as I remember
Temel Kotil
- Kaan being delivered in 2028 will be 100% domestic including engine and ejection seat!
Sounds they are now even more confident about TF35K
Haha, someone (First letter is "me") told about a factory as I remember
(According to a journalist) An engine factory for Kaan (talking about the TF35K) is being built right now.What factory?
During Soviet and subsequent Russian era, the jet engine technology development regarding turbine section, has been concentrated on directionally solidified turbine blade production. They have in house perfected the directionally solidified crystals to their own needs by attaining equiaxed crystals (these are crystals that have mostly axes of equal lengths.) .
By perfecting air cooling channel geometry and ceramic coatings they have managed to keep the boundary grain defects to a minimum and achieved acceptable high performance from these blades.
Directionally solidified blades are in essence layers of crystals. But due to their layered construction, under extreme heat and centrifugal forces the layers move unevenly away from each other, giving boundary grain imperfections and causing the Crystal lattices to deteriorate. Hence shorter lifecycles on engines especially if they are pushed hard too often.
Russians, according to western sources, have dabbled in Single Crystal blade manufacturing in some of their AL31 series engines. But did not get too far. AL41/AL51 series engines, according to unofficial sources may contain single crystals. But the fact remains that the Russian engines predominantly are produced with directionally solidified turbine blades.
It is also a known fact that the Russian jet engines’ combustion chambers are designed as shorter than western ones. Although this may give certain advantages, it also increases the chance of throwing out unspent fuel hence a smoke when pushed hard. (This however is less prominent in later engines). When you have a school of thought and design set on a specific way to produce your engine, it is not always feasible and workable to add new tech that works in the West. Hence may be their struggle with single crystals?
@Nilgiri may shed more light on this issue.
We will have to see, NASA has a huge RnD budget and massive capital (both physical and human) that is frontloaded on it (so it brings the costs up).
But this pays dividends strategically for the US to create spaceX et al commercial ecosystem downroad as well to begin with.
Govt agency vs private company , what are the contexts, feedback loops and so on or next chunk of years is still ongoing thing.
In my opinion, it is too early to compare KAAN with the SU57 (or with the American Penguin, as the Russians disparagingly call the F35). Especially their engines. The SU57, even if only one at a time, and for the purposes of current testing, still HAS an engine.Man this is depressing, I provided information of what kind of specs the 1st and 2nd stage engines offered, and it was like all of that was completely ignored.
You need to give examples of what western engines are better than the performance specs of the Russian engines I gave all the way back to March 31st. The answer is I don't see any aircraft in service that has better performance specs than the 2nd stage.TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet
This guy can't even keep basic facts straight: dates of embargoes, missile ranges, etc. It's a shame such lowest common denominator sources are so popular...defencehub.live
UEC is opening up another building for production, Turkey does have an option if Russia offers that option.
https://tass.com/defense/1785563 engines received for the Su-35 offer supersonic speeds without boosters and still maintaining longer ranges that current western aircraft.
let's not further derail this thread since the subject I was going for were the engines for the KAAN. reply to me on a more appropriate thread if you want a response to other military projects.But I repeat: the Russian engine is not ready yet.
Moreover, the Russians can completely stop the SU 57 project, as happened with the Armata, Boomerang, Kurganets and others.
By the way, work on the PAK DA project has also been stopped and is unlikely to be continued.
Mini in project volume maxi in impact.Mini F-35? Turkey's TAI TF Kaan Fighter Has Arrived https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mini-f-35-turkey’s-tai-tf-kaan-fighter-has-arrived-210969
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"In the past, Turkey has imported its fighter jets from the Soviet Union/Russia or America." ? Did we have soviet fighters at any point that I don't know?Mini F-35? Turkey's TAI TF Kaan Fighter Has Arrived https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mini-f-35-turkey’s-tai-tf-kaan-fighter-has-arrived-210969
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"In the past, Turkey has imported its fighter jets from the Soviet Union/Russia or America." ? Did we have soviet fighters at any point that I don't know?
mini?Mini F-35? Turkey's TAI TF Kaan Fighter Has Arrived https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mini-f-35-turkey’s-tai-tf-kaan-fighter-has-arrived-210969
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National Interest is a US right wing rag that I wouldn't use to mob up vomit from the floor. Within a few paragraphs they are already lying, you have to go back almost 100 years to find plane we bought from Soviets, let alone buying "fighter jets" from them.Mini F-35? Turkey's TAI TF Kaan Fighter Has Arrived https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mini-f-35-turkey’s-tai-tf-kaan-fighter-has-arrived-210969
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