TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Rodeo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788959083229299085

Temel Kotil

• Kaan being delivered in 2028 will be 100% domestic including engine and ejection seat!

Sounds they are now even more confident about TF35K

This is absurd. There must be some misunderstanding.

 

[CAN_TR]

Such statements just confuse the people, raise the expectations and put pressure on the engineers/technicians working on those projects.

Sometimes, speech is silver and silence gold.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

This is absurd. There must be some misunderstanding.

As long as the report doesn't come from Temel Kotil himself, I don't believe anyone, neither person A or B.
The truthfulness of this Tweet is absolutely and 100% worth nothing.
I can also make up a name as a nickname and put the Turkish flag in my profile picture and claim that Turkey will build the Death Star and Star Destroyer in Star Wars in 5 years. Don't fall for people like that....

 

[B_A]

Such statements just confuse the people, raise the expectations and put pressure on the engineers/technicians working on those projects.

Sometimes, speech is silver and silence gold.

In a democracy,sometimes need to do promotion in public and Parliament.

Delay is quite normal in any country.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

If he really did say that: He did say only "yerli", not "milli". This could mean that F110 engines will be produced in Türkiye.

F110 is not a Yerli, most of the components, including key components, come from overseas, and the final assembly, if any, is done here. I don't know if you can still call something like this a Yerli....
To me, it's nothing more than a lukewarm fart with a slightly wet finish.... if it this yerli.
But we have an engine to close the gap, the Americans could have said no. You can't forget that either.

 

[B_A]

In a democracy,sometimes need to do promotion in public and Parliament.

Delay is quite normal in any country.

For example the super japanese engine IHI Corporation XF9,which the members of here used to argued with me that i looked down japanese.

IHI Corporation XF9 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They didnt have any news since 2018

 

[2033]

If he really did say that: He did say only "yerli", not "milli". This could mean that F110 engines will be produced in Türkiye.

That's what I thought.

TF35K could fly in 10 years at best.

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788959083229299085

Temel Kotil

• Kaan being delivered in 2028 will be 100% domestic including engine and ejection seat!

Sounds they are now even more confident about TF35K

Naayır, nolamaz!
No way!

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788959083229299085

Temel Kotil

• Kaan being delivered in 2028 will be 100% domestic including engine and ejection seat!

Sounds they are now even more confident about TF35K

I know some people are not going to like this, but I don't believe anything Temel Kotil says anymore. Over the last year or two, his salesman approach to crucial project (overpromising and overselling his product) is seriously irritating me.

And not just that, statements like this just paints a rosy picture for general public who are not that informed about how defence industry works (and let's be honest, for some who should know as well) and create unnecessary grumbling when any sort of delay or problem comes up.

 

[Spitfire9]

I know some people are not going to like this, but I don't believe anything Temel Kotil says anymore. Over the last year or two, his salesman approach to crucial project (overpromising and overselling his product) is seriously irritating me.

And not just that, statements like this just paints a rosy picture for general public who are not that informed about how defence industry works (and let's be honest, for some who should know as well) and create unnecessary grumbling when any sort of delay or problem comes up.

Any chance of the ejection seat being in production in 2028? How far has its development advanced? The engine in 2028... if today a prototype were built and ready to fire up, I would be inclined to give Mr Kotil's statement some credence.

 

[Rodeo]

I haven't seen any defense news account reporting this. It's most likely false news.

 

[blackjack]

Dear Jack, let it be known to you that generally accepted things do not require proof.
Russian aircraft engines have a short service life compared to their Western counterparts.
The so-called second stage engine (item 3, AL 51F1) is not mass-produced. The engine refinement process continues and will last until 2027-2028.
The new SU 57 is equipped with the same unfinished engines. They install one new engine and another old on
By the way, AL51F1 is not a new product at all, but a modification of AL41F1.

Since no one still wants to make any kind of engine comparisons for proofs, I will start

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Specific weight
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 116
M88-3 = 115
EJ200 = 131
Izd. 117 = 119

Specific Thrust
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 100
M88-3 = 98
EJ200 = 94
Izd. 117 = 94

SFC (specific fuel consumption)
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 125
M88-3 = 110
EJ200 = 112
Izd. 117 = 110

The 1st stage engine of the Su-57(izd 117) has a lower thrust than the F-22 but it consumes lesser fuel than the F-22. The 2nd stage has the same thrust as the F-22 but its fuel consumption is much less than the F-22 and 1st stage engine. Russia and the U.S. are the only countries bragging about 3 stream variable cycle engines but they have yet to put them on aircrafts and fly them. Your date on the 2nd stage engines is wrong to, they are getting them in 2024 for the next batch and onwards.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19644585?ysclid=lw0x8ulmen241612881

But the US has an excuse on why they didn't further continue any new engines for the F-22 and just go with NGAD. The Service life of the AL-41F1 is 4000 hours which seems the same as the F-22

I know they are throwing around 8000 hours of life expectancy for the F-35.

But I cant find anything on the service life of the Su-57 send stage engine which is assumed to be better in-service life than the 1st stage.
Anyone got disagreements with these statements here? I saw the thrust capabilities of the proposed TEI 10000 https://www.tei.com.tr/uploads/docs/1692366676_tei-tf10000en.pdf?1693078623
Am I reading this right?

the dry and wet performance looks like is 1/2 of either Su-57 or F-22 engines? is this like the maximum or minimum thrust estimates they gave?

You are talking about the KAAN being a full-fledged 5th generation production aircraft because of its engines before the Russians make the Su-57 a full fledge 5th gen because of its engines. So did TEI gave like low estimates on what I see here to make the aircraft fly, or they are keeping the maximum a secret before I draw any comparisons on the 1st stage Su-57 towards it? If worse comes to worse on its confirmed performance than maybe some options of buying russian engines is always a great idea in case things go south with the US since Russia has a 2nd UEC building being built.

 

[Zafer]

I haven't seen any defense news account reporting this. It's most likely false news.

A similar statement was made a couple of months ago but was overlooked by Defencehub. Also SSB chief Haluk Görgün stated that they intend to start serial production of Kaan with the domestic engine.

This statement maybe new as the third sentence was not part of the previous statement.

 

[neosinan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788959083229299085

Temel Kotil

• Kaan being delivered in 2028 will be 100% domestic including engine and ejection seat!

Sounds they are now even more confident about TF35K

Temel kotil originally made this statement one year ago in this TV broadcast, And It was right before elections. So We need to take this with a lot grain of salt.

here around 41:00 minute

 

[Zafer]

Since no one still wants to make any kind of engine comparisons for proofs, I will start

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View attachment 67906
Specific weight
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 116
M88-3 = 115
EJ200 = 131
Izd. 117 = 119

Specific Thrust
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 100
M88-3 = 98
EJ200 = 94
Izd. 117 = 94

SFC (specific fuel consumption)
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 125
M88-3 = 110
EJ200 = 112
Izd. 117 = 110

The 1st stage engine of the Su-57(izd 117) has a lower thrust than the F-22 but it consumes lesser fuel than the F-22. The 2nd stage has the same thrust as the F-22 but its fuel consumption is much less than the F-22 and 1st stage engine. Russia and the U.S. are the only countries bragging about 3 stream variable cycle engines but they have yet to put them on aircrafts and fly them. Your date on the 2nd stage engines is wrong to, they are getting them in 2024 for the next batch and onwards.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19644585?ysclid=lw0x8ulmen241612881

But the US has an excuse on why they didn't further continue any new engines for the F-22 and just go with NGAD. The Service life of the AL-41F1 is 4000 hours which seems the same as the F-22
View attachment 67910

I know they are throwing around 8000 hours of life expectancy for the F-35.
View attachment 67911
But I cant find anything on the service life of the Su-57 send stage engine which is assumed to be better in-service life than the 1st stage.
Anyone got disagreements with these statements here? I saw the thrust capabilities of the proposed TEI 10000 https://www.tei.com.tr/uploads/docs/1692366676_tei-tf10000en.pdf?1693078623
Am I reading this right?
View attachment 67912
the dry and wet performance looks like is 1/2 of either Su-57 or F-22 engines? is this like the maximum or minimum thrust estimates they gave?
View attachment 67913
You are talking about the KAAN being a full-fledged 5th generation production aircraft because of its engines before the Russians make the Su-57 a full fledge 5th gen because of its engines. So did TEI gave like low estimates on what I see here to make the aircraft fly, or they are keeping the maximum a secret before I draw any comparisons on the 1st stage Su-57 towards it? If worse comes to worse on its confirmed performance than maybe some options of buying russian engines is always a great idea in case things go south with the US since Russia has a 2nd UEC building being built.

TF10000 is not the Kaan engine TF35000 is.

 

[blackjack]

TF10000 is not the Kaan engine TF35000 is.

OK that makes a lot of sense now, thanks.

 

[boredaf]

Any chance of the ejection seat being in production in 2028? How far has its development advanced? The engine in 2028... if today a prototype were built and ready to fire up, I would be inclined to give Mr Kotil's statement some credence.

We haven't seen any sing of an ejection seat other than it being mentioned a few times in passing. And a prototype already existing has just a little bit more chance than me jumping off a bridge and start flying. Not only because TF6000 just had its first ignition, but also there is no way in hell they would keep quiet about it.

 

[Turkic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788959083229299085

Temel Kotil

• Kaan being delivered in 2028 will be 100% domestic including engine and ejection seat!

Sounds they are now even more confident about TF35K

Haha, someone (First letter is "me") told about a factory as I remember

In the other hand, we all know Temel Kotil is being too hasty sometimes. Actually I don't see a problem using F110's in the first batch considering TEI is a spare part manufacturer and is authorized for maintenance. Also we can change those engines when their lifespan ends. But of course seeing a domestic engine in 2028 would be nice.

 

[Agha Sher]

Haha, someone (First letter is "me") told about a factory as I remember

What factory?

 

[Turkic]

What factory?

(According to a journalist) An engine factory for Kaan (talking about the TF35K) is being built right now.