TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Spitfire9]

I see that the US upgrade kits for F-16 are no longer wanted.

https://bulgarianmilitary

.com/2024/11/27/turkey-shocks-the-u-s-drops-f-16-fighters-deal-goes-local/

I presume that using local upgrades will save a lot of money. If (if, I don't know) the KAAN PROJECT would be accelerated by increased funding, should some of those savings be diverted to KAAN/TF35000 or might they be earmarked for an EF procurement?

Would Turkiye also drop the 40 x F-16 procurement if an agreement on terms to buy Eurofighter were reached? I guess that Eurofighters could be delivered relatively quickly (<3 years).

 

[dBSPL]

I see that the US upgrade kits for F-16 are no longer wanted.

https://bulgarianmilitary

.com/2024/11/27/turkey-shocks-the-u-s-drops-f-16-fighters-deal-goes-local/

I presume that using local upgrades will save a lot of money. If (if, I don't know) the KAAN PROJECT would be accelerated by increased funding, should some of those savings be diverted to KAAN/TF35000 or might they be earmarked for an EF procurement?

Would Turkiye also drop the 40 x F-16 procurement if an agreement on terms to buy Eurofighter were reached? I guess that Eurofighters could be delivered relatively quickly (<3 years).

The first instalment payment for the supply of 40 new F-16s was announced by the Ministry of Defence. In other words, while EF is still in negotiating technical details, the process of purchasing additional F-16s has officially started. Although, the F-35s that have been lying in the hangar for years have also been paid for lol. Jokes aside, it seems that the F-16s will be the earliest to be delivered to the TAF among the three platforms in the statement made by the MoD. Germany played a major role in this, by stalling the process for a long time.

 

[Zoth]

I see that the US upgrade kits for F-16 are no longer wanted.

https://bulgarianmilitary .com/2024/11/27/turkey-shocks-the-u-s-drops-f-16-fighters-deal-goes-local/

I presume that using local upgrades will save a lot of money.

Other than the saving money, LM is already full on upgrade kit orders, getting those upgrades through USA would take so much time.

If (if, I don't know) the KAAN PROJECT would be accelerated by increased funding, should some of those savings be diverted to KAAN/TF35000 or might they be earmarked for an EF procurement?

Kaan and TF35K is already funded enough, the development part is matter of time and not matter of money, you simply can't speed up the development project by feeding more money into the project.

Would Turkiye also drop the 40 x F-16 procurement if an agreement on terms to buy Eurofighter were reached? I guess that Eurofighters could be delivered relatively quickly (<3 years).

No, i don't think so, F16 combined with F110 engines is still the backbone of TAF, we know in and out of that platform, F16 and EF would be used in different type of operations(EF is mainly to counter Greek Rafales in the short term).

 

[hugh]

Kaan and TF35K is already funded enough, the development part is matter of time and not matter of money, you simply can't speed up the development project by feeding more money into the project.

how do you know this? especially about the engine. this must be an assumption.

 

[Zoth]

how do you know this? especially about the engine. this must be an assumption.

Of course that's an assumption, my bad for not stating it.

After getting kicked out of F35, Kaan is our only option of getting a 5th gen fighter, and we have to do it "quite fast" since our neighbor is also getting F35s around the planned "first service date" of Kaan. If there were budget/funding issues, we would've already heard that from insiders.

 

[Iskander]

I see that the US upgrade kits for F-16 are no longer wanted.

https://bulgarianmilitary

.com/2024/11/27/turkey-shocks-the-u-s-drops-f-16-fighters-deal-goes-local/

I presume that using local upgrades will save a lot of money. If (if, I don't know) the KAAN PROJECT would be accelerated by increased funding, should some of those savings be diverted to KAAN/TF35000 or might they be earmarked for an EF procurement?

Would Turkiye also drop the 40 x F-16 procurement if an agreement on terms to buy Eurofighter were reached? I guess that Eurofighters could be delivered relatively quickly (<3 years).

It should be noted that Türkiye needs the consent of only the US to buy the F-16, while for the Eurofighter it needs the consent of four countries. We have seen how Germany, unlike the UK, Spain and Italy, did not agree.

 

[Spitfire9]

It should be noted that Türkiye needs the consent of only the US to buy the F-16, while for the Eurofighter it needs the consent of four countries. We have seen how Germany, unlike the UK, Spain and Italy, did not agree.

Ironically Dassault sounds like it would be the ideal supplier - no US political complications with Congress, no multi-nation supplier complications as with Eurofighter.

 

[Saithan]

Ironically Dassault sounds like it would be the ideal supplier - no US political complications with Congress, no multi-nation supplier complications as with Eurofighter.

Unfortunately we're very much at odds with France. I can't recall the last Military purchase from France, could have been some ships back in the 70's or 80's.

If possible I would have wanted upgrades enough for a 24 F16. Either to block 70 or V. As I was thinking of possibilities with regard to some F16 that aren't in the TAF inventory.

As potential upgrade kit for PAF or Iraqi F16 under some obscure circumstances and have them stationed in Turkey on semi permanent.

 

[boredaf]

If possible I would have wanted upgrades enough for a 24 F16. Either to block 70 or V. As I was thinking of possibilities with regard to some F16 that aren't in the TAF inventory.

As potential upgrade kit for PAF or Iraqi F16 under some obscure circumstances and have them stationed in Turkey on semi permanent.

What? You can't just buy a kit for yourself and then apply them to some other country's planes.

 

[Saithan]

What? You can't just buy a kit for yourself and then apply them to some other country's planes.

Yes, I understand. But I was just thinking of potential uses for them.

I'm aware of how bad things could turn out. But just in case we could get second hand F16s.

 

[Kitra]

Unfortunately we're very much at odds with France. I can't recall the last Military purchase from France, could have been some ships back in the 70's or 80's.

If possible I would have wanted upgrades enough for a 24 F16. Either to block 70 or V. As I was thinking of possibilities with regard to some F16 that aren't in the TAF inventory.

As potential upgrade kit for PAF or Iraqi F16 under some obscure circumstances and have them stationed in Turkey on semi permanent.

We purchased Eryx ATGMs from them about 20 years ago. They turned out to be shit so we developed our own.

 

[Strong AI]

Technology and art came together on the canvas of visually impaired painter Eşref Armağan.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1863819615937184211

 

[Strong AI]

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30x113 internal machine gun developed by SARSILMAZ for KAAN

Source: Avionot

Ok so here is the tweet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1864361372672282685

He doesn't mention SARSILMAZ because it is produced by aselsan konya, which you can see literally in the picture.
Looks like this is from 2022.

ASELSAN Konya'dan yeni nesil elektrik tahrikli top sistemleri!

İstanbul Fuar Merkezi'nde düzenlenen SAHA EXPO 2022 fuarında ASELSAN Konya, farklı kalibrelerde elektrik tahrikli top sistemlerini sergiledi.

www.defenceturk.net

There is nowhere else stated that this will be used by KAAN.
Avionot getting worse and worse.

 

[KAAN]

Sorry for the mistake, thank you for the correction, I shared the source because I couldn't confirm it.

Unfortunately, he has really lost the confidence compared to 1-2 years ago.

And it was initially thought that CANİK would produce it, now it is known that SARSILMAZ will produce it.

Anyway the aircraft will have a relatively large 30x113 internal gun.

 

[uçuyorum]

View attachment 72494

30x113 internal machine gun developed by SARSILMAZ for KAAN

Source: Avionot

Single barrel sounds ok. Won't be used too much so shouldn't be using too much space and weight. F35 still has the useless 25mm gatling that is unable to hit targets right? Did they ever fix it?