TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

[I_Love_F16]

If all S-400 systems are active, they can cover whole country. No escape zone for F-35. Another option would be North Cyprus.

Not how it works … An F-35 has to be pretty close for the S-400 to shot it down.

 

[Strong AI]

Sources from the Ministry of National Defense responded to claims made by a Greek newspaper regarding the “S-400s being kept under U.S. control at Incirlik in exchange for re-inclusion in the F-35 program.” The ministry sources stated:

“Regarding this matter, it is important not to give credence to news aimed at shaping perceptions by third countries and to approach it with caution. Currently, there is no change in the positions of either country regarding the S-400 and F-35.

We have always stated that it is not right for allies to impose restrictions or sanctions on each other, as it goes against the spirit of alliance. Our expectation is that our allies will make decisions in line with the spirit of the alliance and the common security perspective, and lift all restrictions, whether overt or covert.”

S-400'lerle ilgili İncirlik iddiasına Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'ndan yanıt

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanlığı kaynakları, bir Yunan gazetesinin “F-35 programına tekrar dahil edilme karşılığında S-400’lerin İncirlik’te ABD kontrolünde bulundurulacağına” ilişkin iddialara cevap verdi.

www.haber7.com

 

[Spitfire9]

How many F-35 were built for Turkiye but not delivered?

 

[hugh]

US State Department: “The conditions for supplying F-35s to Turkey are widely known and our policy has not changed. Turkey’s continued interoperability with NATO remains a critical US priority.”

-VoA

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1862014941550559554

Someone is lying.

 

[Blackeyes90]

US State Department: “The conditions for supplying F-35s to Turkey are widely known and our policy has not changed. Turkey’s continued interoperability with NATO remains a critical US priority.”

-VoA

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1862014941550559554

Someone is lying.

Yaşar Güler made a another blunder i think. He doesnt strike me as a Well spoken politician.

 

[TheInsider]

It is so sad to see our defense minister lying blatantly.

 

[hugh]

It is so sad to see our defense minister lying blatantly.

Maybe we're actually following the US's receipt and get rid of the S400. But this cannot be fed to the public as it is and they resorted to telling "Americans saw KAAN's progress and decided to sell us F35". As childish as this sounds, AKP supporters would easily buy it.

Otherwise, why would they send a formal request to buy F35 if they knew the US would reject it? Things don't add up.

 

[Blackeyes90]

Maybe we're actually following the US's receipt and get rid of the S400. But this cannot be fed to the public as it is and they resorted to telling "Americans saw KAAN's progress and decided to sell us F35". As childish as this sounds, AKP supporters would easily buy it.

Otherwise, why would they send a formal request to buy F35 if they knew the US would reject it? Things don't add up.

Did we send a formal request ? I dont think so. There is talks about it but sending a formal request to buy f 35 without lifting the santions doesnt seem smart to me.

 

[Huelague]

It is so sad to see our defense minister lying blatantly.

Because US politician would never lie.

 

[TheInsider]

Because US politician would never lie.

It has nothing to do with the US politicians there is a law in effect regarding the F-35s. It is passed by the Congress there is no one in the US including the president that can deliver F-35s to us. Only the Congress can repeal the law.

 

[Huelague]

It has nothing to do with the US politicians there is a law in effect regarding the F-35s. It is passed by the Congress there is no one in the US including the president that can deliver F-35s to us. Only the Congress can repeal the law.

Thats not the point. Congress and Senate are ruled by Republicans (D. Trump). Y. Guller must found out, that Congress is willing to send the F-35 to us.

 

[TheInsider]

Thats not the point. Congress and Senate are ruled by Republicans (D. Trump). Y. Guller must found out, that Congress is willing to send the F-35 to us.

Until we see a serious move, it is pure speculation. And I really doubt Congress will be friendly to us. Especially while Israel is openly hostile to us.

 

[Hannibal]

All that hocus pocus about the S-400 and F-35 stealth being compromised.

India to receive billions in US weapons, including F-35 stealth jets: Trump

India's Prime Minister Modi and US President Trump agreed on a security agenda that will also address 'terrorism'.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[guest12]

All that hocus pocus about the S-400 and F-35 stealth being compromised.

India to receive billions in US weapons, including F-35 stealth jets: Trump

India's Prime Minister Modi and US President Trump agreed on a security agenda that will also address 'terrorism'.

www.aljazeera.com

All accounts claimed S-400 was reason completly silent of course.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

Yaşar Güler made a another blunder i think. He doesnt strike me as a Well spoken politician.

Yaşar güler is the guy who was saying "our president said israel is enemy our president is very smart" shit like that do you think guy like this who also lied about F35 being a bad jet etc is a good guy??? all of those guys are in the strings of erdogan nothing much nothing less

 

[IC3M@N FX]

What are you crying about? What's the point of an F-35 that requires satellite-based US launch codes or allows remote access from the USA? Either the planes don't take off at all or the weapons systems are deactivated in the event of an escalation in an extreme situation, e.g. against Israel or Greece.

ALIS (Automatic Logistics Information System) and its successor ODIN (Operation Data Integrated Network) & Co.
These systems run exclusively on US military servers on the F-35, no country has access to them and without this access the F-35 is useless as a system. Not to mention that you can't even switch off Link 16 & Co for national missions.

This thing is a Trojan horse - get over it.
For this reason, the Israelis have also heavily modified their F-35s, while the USA probably has no access to them at all.

The only thing that makes me angry is the argumentation of the USA to block the F-35 for security reasons because of the S-400.
In India, the US doesn't seem to mind, yet another reason to completely avoid US weapons systems after the F-16 Block 70 Deal.

 

[Saithan]

Too much pussy whining. Stop crying over spilt milk. Our politicians were too dumb to bide their time and blew it. Move on EF and let's see if KAAN is going to fly

 

[Bilge adam reis]

What are you crying about? What's the point of an F-35 that requires satellite-based US launch codes or allows remote access from the USA? Either the planes don't take off at all or the weapons systems are deactivated in the event of an escalation in an extreme situation, e.g. against Israel or Greece.

ALIS (Automatic Logistics Information System) and its successor ODIN (Operation Data Integrated Network) & Co.
These systems run exclusively on US military servers on the F-35, no country has access to them and without this access the F-35 is useless as a system. Not to mention that you can't even switch off Link 16 & Co for national missions.

This thing is a Trojan horse - get over it.
For this reason, the Israelis have also heavily modified their F-35s, while the USA probably has no access to them at all.

The only thing that makes me angry is the argumentation of the USA to block the F-35 for security reasons because of the S-400.
In India, the US doesn't seem to mind, yet another reason to completely avoid US weapons systems after the F-16 Block 70 Deal.

Those launch codes are the ones you put on your F16s everyday, LINK 16 codes you don't even know what are you talking about.

You paranoid fellas saying the same stuff during 1980s as well "OH NO US IS GOING LOCK OUR F16's " we are just too arrogant to accept our islamist goverment fucked up and lots of Turkish companies lost money also, we have no air superiority over greece nor israel.

The koreans already debunked your so called "satellite codes" claims.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

Could be a hundred various reasons other than F-35 stealth capability being a scam.

Why should you use a stealth jet to bomb desert dwellers?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Those launch codes are the ones you put on your F16s everyday, LINK 16 codes you don't even know what are you talking about.

You paranoid fellas saying the same shit during 1980s as well "OH NO US IS GOING LOCK OUR F16's (" You are just too arrogant to accept your islamist goverment fucked up and lots of Turkish companies lost money also you have no air superiority over greece nor israel.

The koreans already debunked your so called "satellite codes" claims.

Yes for block 60/70, but not for 30-50+ with Özgür II.

You have no idea you are just complaining about what the current government has and hasn't done.
Geopolitics is more than a fuck plane called F-35, the cooperation with Russia S-400 has opened the door to the market in Caucasus and Far East.
The S-400 purchase was of a symbolic and strategic nature, it was about showing that you are not the lackey of the USA and can say no.
So what happened? The consequence was that new markets were opened up, you gained access to the Russian economy, and you also gained access to the Chinese economy.
Goods, semiconductors, bilateral trade etc. were diversified as a result.
We won the nuclear program for Akkuyu, nobody voluntarily gives someone else very important high technology.
If it had been built by a Western company/country, it would only have been possible with much stricter conditions for Turkey.
Because Israel and the USA would have seen to that.

First and foremost, Turkey has diversified its entire economy, it trades with the USA, Europe and Russia and the Middle and Far East + Africa, there are no longer any political economic borders that would have been limited by a purely Western commitment with NATO philosophy.
Turkey sells weapons and ammunition to anyone it wants.
However, this process is a slow process that is progressing, but once it is over, all these EU & US rating agencies can no longer massively attack the Turkish economy.
Turkey will never be part of the EU that is a fact no matter what it does, Turkey will also never become a full BRICS member that is also a fact, but since it serves as a hub for goods, a transit country for energy and as a mediator for both sides it will get all the privileges as a member of the other with the advantage without a political strategic commitment of one or the other side.
This is the essence of what the government wants to achieve, to sit between the stools with one foot in each.

From Chat GPT:

This is a pretty accurate analysis of Turkish geopolitics in recent years. Turkey is pursuing a strategy of multipolar foreign policy, deliberately breaking away from the clear bloc formations of the Cold War and attempting to play a bridging role between East and West. The decision to buy the S-400 from Russia was much more than a military choice - it was a geopolitical show of force to signal that Turkey is no longer a mere subordinate of the US.

The diversification of the economy and trade relations is a key point that is often underestimated. Turkey has deliberately freed itself from a one-sided dependence on the West and strengthened relations with Russia, China, Africa and the Middle East. This not only has economic advantages, but also geopolitical ones - the more economic ties there are, the more difficult it is for Western countries to exert influence on Turkey through sanctions or pressure mechanisms.

The nuclear energy partnership with Russia is also a strategic coup. Western countries would have transferred technology under much stricter conditions, while Russia was prepared to share this key technology with Turkey. This strengthens Turkey's energy independence and gives it a stronger negotiating position in the long term.

The fact that Turkey will never join the EU is probably a reality that no one in Ankara is seriously considering any more. At the same time, however, Turkey will not switch completely to the BRICS track, but will use its status as a geopolitical swing player to benefit from both sides.

What remains is the question of how long this strategy will be viable. On the one hand, Turkey can benefit enormously from not committing itself, but on the other hand, this positioning also harbors risks. If geopolitical pressure intensifies - for example due to an increasing confrontation between the USA and China/Russia - Turkey could be forced to choose more strongly in favor of one side. Until then, however, it is making clever use of its position.