TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[uçuyorum]

Didn't we sell ships to malaysia for palm oil

 

[Zafer]

15 nukes would do

If we are to have nukes we must do it ourselves

 

[Burberryswine]

ASFAT and AFGM does have a lot of experience with jet engines idk where u got the idea of MSB not having any experience with jet engines thing from

Thats how u reverse engineer smth, also I dont think the engine is real but I wouldnt say the military factories doesnt have experience with jet engines, itd js be a stupid statement, because when u maintain smth that means yk how it works, yk how it operates, how its made, how its pieced, Imo they might have just modified the F110129s internally modify it and smhw get some more thrust out of them but def not up to 42k i think its impossible until I see it run myself.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Regarding this 42000lbf thrust GUCHAN palaver:

Let us look at what the most prominent factors are in a Turbofan that matters related to higher thrust.
Basically and most commonly you can increase thrust of a turbofan engine by:

1. increasing airflow.
a) To do that yo can increase rotational speed of engine, ie RPM. But that would result in excessive wear and could cause engine to collapse if pushed to extreme revs. Even If it doesn’t collapse straight away the engine life will be exponentially reduced.
b) You can increase fan diameter to increase air flow. But this doesn’t seem to be the case in Guchan.
c) You can increase engine diameter to allow more air to be pushed through the core. But this is not the case here.

2. increase TIT. The higher the energy released from nozzle the higher the thrust obtained. But for a given engine, there are limits to how high you can go with TIT. Material science too has limits for a given engine diameter. Also high TIT means more fuel burnt.

3. Bypass ratio. More air through bypass channels will increase thrust. But this means a lot more than the 0.68:1 ratio quoted for this engine.

When TEI is struggling with these details how on earth the people in MOD R&D overcame these difficulties?

A department of Turkish MOD, set up 12-13 years ago for R&D purposes, with no manufacturing base, that started to show itself only last 3-4 years, comes up with a turbofan engine that looks like a F110 copy and claim to have attained 42000lbf thrust level from that engine. Yet there are no video proof of that happening.
If you are coming up with such an ostentatious and arguable claim, you have to bring to the table proofs of your claim.

We believed them last time with the Hayalet and Gazap bombs; becuase they provided the related video proofs of the field and lab tests they carried out for these munitions.
So where are the proofs for Guchan and Yildirimhan?

 

[Zafer]

MSB Arge is to SSB what a parody account is to a real X account, not to be taken too seriously.

 

[TR_123456]

 

[Oublious]

youtube is full off this kind video ...

 

[Zafer]

We are counting down to first flight of P1, this month or the next. I wonder how complete the P1 and the P2 will be with many subsystems ready for primetime. Exciting to watch and even get involved as a citizen.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I believe the KAAN will fly between July 7 and 8, which is exactly when the NATO summit is taking place in Turkey.
The flight is intended to be seen by the very people who are likely to be provoked by it as a show of force.

 

[TR_123456]

youtube is full off this kind video ...

Yes,just some examples of the many.

 

[2033]

I believe the KAAN will fly between July 7 and 8, which is exactly when the NATO summit is taking place in Turkey.
The flight is intended to be seen by the very people who are likely to be provoked by it as a show of force.

If it becomes ready to fly in June, not a single soul will be able to postpone the flight by even one day

 

[Zafer]

I believe the KAAN will fly between July 7 and 8, which is exactly when the NATO summit is taking place in Turkey.
The flight is intended to be seen by the very people who are likely to be provoked by it as a show of force.

It is more impactful when things are done earlier rather than later.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I see it differently, and who’s to say the aircraft hasn’t already been flown behind closed doors? The point is – and this is, of course, just speculation on my part – that in July all NATO member states will be coming to Turkey for the NATO summit. What could be more symbolic than flying the latest prototype in front of the heads of state and the international press – you don’t get free publicity on this scale very often.

The next NATO summit in Turkey will probably not take place for another 8 to 10 years.

 

[2033]

I see it differently, and who’s to say the aircraft hasn’t already been flown behind closed doors? The point is – and this is, of course, just speculation on my part –

Is it possible to secretly fly a 20-meter-long giant that roars through the skies with its two F110 engines? That’s impossible.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Impossible?
How did the Americans keep the B-21 Raider and many other aircraft under wraps? No one knew that a successor to the B-2 Spirit was being built, let alone tested.

Unofficial test flights, or test flights closed to the public, are nothing out of the ordinary; both Hürjet aircraft have already completed hundreds of test flights.
They haven’t publicised every single test flight either.

 

[uçuyorum]

Impossible?
How did the Americans keep the B-21 Raider and many other aircraft under wraps? No one knew that a successor to the B-2 Spirit was being built, let alone tested.

Unofficial test flights, or test flights closed to the public, are nothing out of the ordinary; both Hürjet aircraft have already completed hundreds of test flights.
They haven’t publicised every single test flight either.

America has facilities far from residential areas. TUSAS is not

 

[Spitfire9]

America has facilities far from residential areas. TUSAS is not

US has area 51 in Nevada, I believe about 40km x 40km closed air space with restricted ground access in a desert area.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Regarding this 42000lbf thrust GUCHAN palaver:

Let us look at what the most prominent factors are in a Turbofan that matters related to higher thrust.
Basically and most commonly you can increase thrust of a turbofan engine by:

1. increasing airflow.
a) To do that yo can increase rotational speed of engine, ie RPM. But that would result in excessive wear and could cause engine to collapse if pushed to extreme revs. Even If it doesn’t collapse straight away the engine life will be exponentially reduced.
b) You can increase fan diameter to increase air flow. But this doesn’t seem to be the case in Guchan.
c) You can increase engine diameter to allow more air to be pushed through the core. But this is not the case here.

2. increase TIT. The higher the energy released from nozzle the higher the thrust obtained. But for a given engine, there are limits to how high you can go with TIT. Material science too has limits for a given engine diameter. Also high TIT means more fuel burnt.

3. Bypass ratio. More air through bypass channels will increase thrust. But this means a lot more than the 0.68:1 ratio quoted for this engine.

When TEI is struggling with these details how on earth the people in MOD R&D overcame these difficulties?

A department of Turkish MOD, set up 12-13 years ago for R&D purposes, with no manufacturing base, that started to show itself only last 3-4 years, comes up with a turbofan engine that looks like a F110 copy and claim to have attained 42000lbf thrust level from that engine. Yet there are no video proof of that happening.
If you are coming up with such an ostentatious and arguable claim, you have to bring to the table proofs of your claim.

We believed them last time with the Hayalet and Gazap bombs; becuase they provided the related video proofs of the field and lab tests they carried out for these munitions.
So where are the proofs for Guchan and Yildirimhan?

It is stated that GüçHan will only be a technology demonstration model and will not go into mass production. And it is also stated that the design of the compressor, especially in the cold sector, will change. If this is the case, this project is starting to seem quite meaningless to me.

I'm very curious what technology TEI doesn't produce or possess that they plan to prove. Furthermore, TEI is only just beginning to work on afterburner physics with the TF-10000. When did these guys learn the fundamentals of afterburners, which TEI is only just beginning to understand?

 

[Anmdt]

It is stated that GüçHan will only be a technology demonstration model and will not go into mass production. And it is also stated that the design of the compressor, especially in the cold sector, will change. If this is the case, this project is starting to seem quite meaningless to me.

I'm very curious what technology TEI doesn't produce or possess that they plan to prove. Furthermore, TEI is only just beginning to work on afterburner physics with the TF-10000. When did these guys learn the fundamentals of afterburners, which TEI is only just beginning to understand?

Six prototypes are a little too much for a technology demonstrator - as per claimed by MSB's spokesperson admiral.

MSB's "civilian only" R&D department also stated that they don't pursue commercial goals, but merely focusing at technological development of key technologies. If so, why wouldn't they go for developing variable by-pass ratios, stealth nozzles, IR suppression or TVC? None of their statements, nor the goals make any bit of sense.

It is a sham, they are running a circus.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Six prototypes are a little too much for a technology demonstrator - as per claimed by MSB's spokesperson admiral.

MSB's "civilian only" R&D department also stated that they don't pursue commercial goals, but merely focusing at technological development of key technologies. If so, why wouldn't they go for developing variable by-pass ratios, stealth nozzles, IR suppression or TVC? None of their statements, nor the goals make any bit of sense.

It is a sham, they are running a circus.

Hope for the best expect the worst.
If they would have come forward with 20000lbf engine i would have said its easier achievable, it would complement our engine portfolio and provide alternative for actual aircraft in development without putting to much work on TEI. But noooo can't even translate properly (4 Rocket engines on turbofan)