TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Yasar_TR]

America has facilities far from residential areas. TUSAS is not

Tusas KahramanKazan facilities are in Saray, on the left corner of above map. Out in the sticks, and away from major towns.
Also just south of Saray, towards bottom where the air museum is, there is Etimesgut airport. To the right top is the Ankara Esenboga International airport. Flight path of many airliners would be crossing close to Saray, sounds of jet engines being a normal occurrence. Unless publicised it wouldn’t be easy to spot a test flight, barring real dedicated fans or photographers that have made camp close by 24/7.

 

[Zafer]

Spying on TAI flights can be considered spying unless journalists are invited and perpetrators can be sued for treason.

 

[Anmdt]

Hope for the best expect the worst.
If they would have come forward with 20000lbf engine i would have said its easier achievable, it would complement our engine portfolio and provide alternative for actual aircraft in development without putting to much work on TEI. But noooo can't even translate properly (4 Rocket engines on turbofan)

They don't need to make an engine, mate. That's the point. They have access to factories, got handful of engines running but at the end of life and about to be scrapped. They could have made of use of them:

Target drones - engine got life but one-time use only
OWA-UAV's - yeah,
IR supression studies,
RC optimization studies, nozzle design.

 

[Sanchez]

Unofficial test flights, or test flights closed to the public, are nothing out of the ordinary; both Hürjet aircraft have already completed hundreds of test flights.
They haven’t publicised every single test flight either.

Unless publicised it wouldn’t be easy to spot a test flight, barring real dedicated fans or photographers that have made camp close by 24/7.

We do have spotters online that do track those flights. Usually not supported by videos because they are patriotic kids, but we hear about most flights.

Spying on TAI flights can be considered spying unless journalists are invited and perpetrators can be sued for treason.

Tricky subject, it's open space. Everyone has a right to photograph open space.

 

[Zafer]

We do have spotters online that do track those flights. Usually not supported by videos because they are patriotic kids, but we hear about most flights.

Tricky subject, it's open space. Everyone has a right to photograph open space.

The space is open the subject is not, it is in the open just because there is no way to fully hide it. But it can take off in restricted space and can go up quickly before it becomes visible to ordinary eyes and only specialty few cameras can see it. On top of it photographing something that is meant to be hidden is prohibited, you can't go and explicitly take pictures of the inside of a train station without explicit permission. You can't include the image of a building in a movie without permission.They can find you and sue you for harming national interest, confiscate your camera gear as an evidence of crime. They can beat you up when they see you and other citizens will help them beat you harder like it is their duty as a citizen.

 

[Sanchez]

The space is open the subject is not, it is in the open just because there is no way to fully hide it. But it can take off in restricted space and can go up quickly before it becomes visible to ordinary eyes and only specialty few cameras can see it. On top of it photographing something that is meant to be hidden is prohibited, you can't go and explicitly take pictures of the inside of a train station without explicit permission. You can't include the image of a building in a movie without permission.They can find you and sue you for harming national interest, confiscate your camera gear as an evidence of crime. They can beat you up when they see you and other citizens will help them beat you harder like it is their duty as a citizen.

Same spotters can also make out the difference of the sound of F404s, F110s or RRs on G6000s. Rest simply doesn't happen. Photographing an aircraft flying outside of any government owned land or landmark simply is not a crime, yet at least.

 

[Zafer]

Same spotters can also make out the difference of the sound of F404s, F110s or RRs on G6000s. Rest simply doesn't happen. Photographing an aircraft flying outside of any government owned land or landmark simply is not a crime, yet at least.

Publishing it can make you a criminal if you are not allowed to, which can be arranged.

 

[Kitra]

Tricky subject, it's open space. Everyone has a right to photograph open space.

That is plainly wrong in almost every country.

Objects, sites and facilities in plain sight, even for the general public, can be forbidden to photograph/publish. Your common civilian airports often fall under protected object status. MIlitary airport definitely falls under protected object status in Turkey.

 

[Passenger]

That is plainly wrong in almost every country.

Objects, sites and facilities in plain sight, even for the general public, can be forbidden to photograph/publish. Your common civilian airports often fall under protected object status. MIlitary airport definitely falls under protected object status in Turkey.

Same in US/China

 

[Khagan1923]

What do these people smoke?

And after all that? The UK and EU still hold veto power over exports once the indigenous engine is integrated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2060803430034137476

Bot account using Chatgtp to get impressions from other bots so he can get his 50 dollar payout from his daddy Elon. 50 bucks in some parts of this world a comparable to a monthly salary.

 

[Spitfire9]

What do these people smoke?

And after all that? The UK and EU still hold veto power over exports once the indigenous engine is integrated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2060803430034137476

I presume that 1,000+ hours of prototype testing will be programmed. Testing will take until near 2030, won't it? If (IF,IF,IF..) TF35000 could enter production from 2032 could there be less than a 5 year delay between F110-powered prototypes finishing testing and TF35000 KAAN production starting?

Anyway, the KAAN schedule is not as critical as it was with Typhoon coming, is it?

 

[Sanchez]

Bot account using Chatgtp to get impressions from other bots so he can get his 50 dollar payout from his daddy Elon. 50 bucks in some parts of this world a comparable to a monthly salary.

Exactly this; noone intelligent follows mario nawfal of all people. there are not "real" people.

 

[Spitfire9]

This part

That is usually the case if foreign components are included, isn't it? I'm not sure that Martin Baker, for example, can agree to supply ejection seats with no export restriction. I think the UK government decides which countries can receive aircraft with MB ejection seats fitted.

 

[Pokemonte13]

That is usually the case if foreign components are included, isn't it? I'm not sure that Martin Baker, for example, can agree to supply ejection seats with no export restriction. I think the UK government decides which countries can receive aircraft with MB ejection seats fitted.

Its true but they would then just make their own seat so not really worth it. The only critical component is the engine and even if its not delivered they would just continue developing it so the airframes that would come with domestic engines would not lack anything.

 

[Spitfire9]

Its true but they would then just make their own seat so not really worth it. The only critical component is the engine and even if its not delivered they would just continue developing it so the airframes that would come with domestic engines would not lack anything.

I would think that Turkiye could develop an ejection seat. One that performed as well as an MB seat and failed as seldom as an MB seat? Not for a very long time.

But sure, it can be argued that if ejection survivability is 80% or 90% as probable with a Turkish seat compared with an MB seat, that is good enough.

 

[Zafer]

I presume that 1,000+ hours of prototype testing will be programmed. Testing will take until near 2030, won't it? If (IF,IF,IF..) TF35000 could enter production from 2032 could there be less than a 5 year delay between F110-powered prototypes finishing testing and TF35000 KAAN production starting?

Anyway, the KAAN schedule is not as critical as it was with Typhoon coming, is it?

If production F110 engines do not get delivered in time the TF35k engines can be employed on a fast track and there would not be any delay in Kaan production. If the F110 engines get delivered then TF35k engine can wait until 2029-2030 to be used in flight tests and 2031 in production of later block Kaan batches.

A lower performing ejection seat is still good at 80-90 % survival rate. Kaan is a twin engine after all and has autopilot to enhance safety on top of it which includes ground collision detection and all. The plane's survival capacity can compensate for the seat's 10-20% lack of ability compared to competition.

 

[Pokemonte13]

there is no Fast tracking anything if f110 are not delivered than there will be no deliveries until TF35K is ready for service which will not happen before 2033 if not later. The timeline as it stands now is already very optimistic we haven't even ignited the engine yet i would be more than thrilled if they can get it ready until 2034.

 

[Spitfire9]

If production F110 engines do not get delivered in time the TF35k engines can be employed on a fast track and there would not be any delay in Kaan production. If the F110 engines get delivered then TF35k engine can wait until 2029-2030 to be used in flight tests and 2031 in production of later block Kaan batches.

A lower performing ejection seat is still good at 80-90 % survival rate. Kaan is a twin engine after all and has autopilot to enhance safety on top of it which includes ground collision detection and all. The plane's survival capacity can compensate for the seat's 10-20% lack of ability compared to competition.

Flying KAAN with uncertified engines would make it an experimental aircraft, not a production aircraft, wouldn't it? I don't know but I would would think KAAN would definitely not ready for air force service.

 

[Zafer]

Flying KAAN with uncertified engines would make it an experimental aircraft, not a production aircraft, wouldn't it? I don't know but I would would think KAAN would definitely not ready for air force service.

It is a fighter engine you don't need certification for it. When the air force thinks the plane checks all the boxes for metrics that are important to them that is certification enough. Even the FAA of USA had left the certification of Boeing 737 max passenger plane to the Being company ironically.

 

[Pokemonte13]

It is a fighter engine you don't need certifiation for it.

true you dont need civilian certification like with TS1400 but it still needs to fulfill the requirements and acceptance test of the TurAf and they wont use the engine unless its finished and safe.