TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Nilgiri]

Main points of the M F Aksit interview:
1. PD170 ; Currently in use on Anka there is now a PD180 model in the works , 10kg lighter but will have more power for TB3 Bayraktar.
2. PD222 ; Already Ank has flown with it. Aksungur too. This engine will also be used on a lighter longer endurance model of Akinci.
3. TJ90 ; Was originally a test bed to see if an indigenous turbojet can be produced. Success ended with the use of the engine on “Simsek” target jet drone.
4. TJ300 ; Was a test bed for an axial flow jet engine. It turned out, it could be used as an engine for Medium Range Anti Ship Missile.
5. F110 ; All Turkish F16 engines were put together in TEI with a handful of pieces actually produced in situ. But Today more than 50% of all critical parts of that engine can be produced in house and the complete engine can be put together with some minor parts outsourced. In fact the TFX will have an indigenous engine. May not be the first plane but the one after definitely.
6. CFM, RR, P&W and GE all use TEI large blisk technology. In fact there are some critical parts produced by TEI on at least 50% of all the aircrafts today that is in the air, be it civilian or military.
7. TS1400 ; there will be 6 or more prototype engines whereby small glitches will be ironed out during the integration process. Then there will be a qualification process for the engine. This will take around 3 years. But this engine has opened the way to produce much bigger and more powerful engines for us. Be it gas turbines for ships, turbofans or turboprops.

Much appreciated. Teşekkür ederim.

Also thanks to @uzaysan for his summary here:https://defencehub.live/threads/turkish-propulsion-systems.3/page-27#post-46778

W.r.t RR and PW "using" TEI large blisk tech (as GE + CFM using it is a given), it would be interesting to get some further clarification as to what exactly this means (and what definition this is referencing as video is given with layman in mind it looks like).

There most certainly has, is and will be innovation process flow though from TEI given the scale of what has been sunk in (I will have to check with a higher up w.r.t this later and tell you folks for PW specifically if we can know)....more on that later in this post.

As for the 50% of all aircraft (commercial engines) having some TEI part in it, its not surprising given the vast scale of GE + CFM MRO (737 and A320 engines prevalence is immense in aviation) and now the time that TEI has been involved in the sector too.

Not too many know this, but we big 3 (PW, GE, RR) cooperate in every combination on certain things...along with harness/deploy wr.t. our subsidiaries/affiliates/JVs/suppliers/MRO.

i.e GE-PW, PW-RR, GE-RR and GE-PW-RR all exist (I can tell you specific history and famous names/teams regd this but it will get too off topic)...so we have things that process flow from these collaboration combinations, along with things we guard/innovate more tightly to just ourselves.

But AFAIK, here at PW we source (either blisks directly or the standardised capital tech + process for new/changed line for current and next gen engines etc) near-entirely from MTU (Germany) who are kind of the "OG" on blisks at large (They made the biggest breakthrough in early 90s on friction weld scaled reliability which is long story in itself)

RR has plant in germany (Oberursel) similarly for its blisks.

So what has flowed from TEI now (given long years of operation at the requisite level) to say RR and PW, I will have to look into it.

If anyone has any further info on distinct + precise TAI/TEI related innovation w.r.t Blisk (if such article/material exists open source), I would be most grateful.

A bit later I will be looking for some papers from Turkey concerning it if I can find them (or anyone provide/post them here or to my inbox etc).

In summary, TEI (a JV between TAI and GE) will be large principal provider of Blisks for GE and CFM among others (and Turkish and other militaries etc).

So congrats to Turkey. I am very impressed (esp considering further details below):

Here is good article about such examples of innovation w.r.t TEI + GE TTC that should hearten any Turk reading it (and I am glad Canada contributed to Mr. Caner Eskioglu one hehe):

An oasis of innovation - The GE Aerospace Blog | Aviation & Flight News

When you look at Istanbul for the first time as the plane approaches the Ataturk Airport, what’s striking is not just the vastness of the city stretching below your eyes. It is equally impressive to fly over that sea stripe drawn in the Bosphorus Strait, with the Asian continent to the left and...

blog.geaviation.com

Small bit (whole page is good read):

Even inventors can be found among the young people of the TTC, in true Edison style (GE’s career program for young engineering talent at the TTC is widespread). Caner Eksioglu is from Istanbul, but he completed his degree in Vancouver, Canada, leaning toward aeronautics and, for the last six years, has been working in the TTC team of Machining and Model Based Manufacturing. “We design and develop improvements for processes aimed at removing material from blank, or closely formed, shapes to create or repair aircraft engines and aeroderivative engine parts. My daily job is 50% engineering and planning on the computer (Design, CAM, calculations, programming etc) and 50% hands-on (machine validation, cutting tests, inspections etc). One of Caner’s latest innovative engineering solutions is software which calculates the optimum stock for LEAP, GE9X and GEnx blisk parts machining: the latter are engine turbine parts where blades and the disk are integrated. “Probably, ten years from now, we will be designing new engines not in years but in just a few months. We will be manufacturing parts not in months, but in just a week,” he said talking about future perspectives. “Engineering teams like us will put more emphasis on digital technologies (math-physics based quick solutions, digital twins), smart factories (robots, industry 4.0) and new fast manufacturing technologies (additives)”.

He actually sounds lot like guys I have worked with here at PW (and what I have also done at stretches earlier in my career and still now in different way) and what I described partially earlier in the thread (optimisation + process flow w.r.t CAD/CAM).

So great to see folks at GE TTC and TEI finding and implementing innovation on the fly....and it feeds back into the larger GE and aeroengine sector ecosystem over time for all mutual benefit.

Video at end (all so similar to PW, hopefully some of this tech I will cover in more detail in jet-eng. thread):

The original video by the (managing director?) Mr. Aksit makes lot more sense to me, thanks (to everyone so far that posted and helped me out)...we eventually got there in the end heh.

My intuition definitely originally underestimated the scale of what TEI doing/innovating (I did not know about this GE TTC for example, makes sense now)...it makes me want to visit Istanbul area in a different sense for next time heh

....honestly (looking at map) I didn't know Istanbul on Asian side extends that far south-eastwards (Gebze etc).

It looks like the main production facility for TEI is at "Eskisehir" further interior into Turkey.

Mr. Aksit video for reference:

UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

selling to serbia is foolish. How often do we find serb weapons in the hands of the PKK?

defencehub.live

If anyone has any way to give feedback to TEI etc, would appreciate if they can put english subs next (or a re-release with it)...as autotranslate CC is ..though I enjoyed the shop floor visuals etc. Thanks.

@xenon5434 @anmdt @Sinan @UkroTurk @Webslave @Saithan @Test7 et al (I think many more will get auto alert anyway)

 

[Nilgiri]

near-entirely from MTU (Germany) who are kind of the "OG" on blisks at large (They made the biggest breakthrough in early 90s on friction weld scaled reliability which is long story in itself)

For those interested in short summary of this:

Blisk development: How blade and disk became one

The space-saving and lighter blisks make engines more compact and more economical: their success story begins in the Eurofighter EJ200 engine.

aeroreport.de

 

[Nilgiri]

One more support article about TEI for those interested:

Case Studies - Vericut USA

Vericut CNC user case studies: See how others reduced costs & errors. Discover real-world examples & benefits of CNC simulation software.

cgtech.com

Verification so important! Already mentioned by me:

The milling choice (over say forging) and (contour-parallel) pattern is probably what the CAD/CAM predictor algorithm + analysis + verification

 

[AzeriTank]

Much appreciated. Teşekkür ederim.

Also thanks to @uzaysan for his summary here:https://defencehub.live/threads/turkish-propulsion-systems.3/page-27#post-46778

W.r.t RR and PW "using" TEI large blisk tech (as GE + CFM using it is a given), it would be interesting to get some further clarification as to what exactly this means (and what definition this is referencing as video is given with layman in mind it looks like).

There most certainly has, is and will be innovation process flow though from TEI given the scale of what has been sunk in (I will have to check with a higher up w.r.t this later and tell you folks for PW specifically if we can know)....more on that later in this post.

As for the 50% of all aircraft (commercial engines) having some TEI part in it, its not surprising given the vast scale of GE + CFM MRO (737 and A320 engines prevalence is immense in aviation) and now the time that TEI has been involved in the sector too.

Not too many know this, but we big 3 (PW, GE, RR) cooperate in every combination on certain things...along with harness/deploy wr.t. our subsidiaries/affiliates/JVs/suppliers/MRO.

i.e GE-PW, PW-RR, GE-RR and GE-PW-RR all exist (I can tell you specific history and famous names/teams regd this but it will get too off topic)...so we have things that process flow from these collaboration combinations, along with things we guard/innovate more tightly to just ourselves.

But AFAIK, here at PW we source (either blisks directly or the standardised capital tech + process for new/changed line for current and next gen engines etc) near-entirely from MTU (Germany) who are kind of the "OG" on blisks at large (They made the biggest breakthrough in early 90s on friction weld scaled reliability which is long story in itself)

RR has plant in germany (Oberursel) similarly for its blisks.

So what has flowed from TEI now (given long years of operation at the requisite level) to say RR and PW, I will have to look into it.

If anyone has any further info on distinct + precise TAI/TEI related innovation w.r.t Blisk (if such article/material exists open source), I would be most grateful.

A bit later I will be looking for some papers from Turkey concerning it if I can find them (or anyone provide/post them here or to my inbox etc).

In summary, TEI (a JV between TAI and GE) will be large principal provider of Blisks for GE and CFM among others (and Turkish and other militaries etc).

So congrats to Turkey. I am very impressed (esp considering further details below):

Here is good article about such examples of innovation w.r.t TEI + GE TTC that should hearten any Turk reading it (and I am glad Canada contributed to Mr. Caner Eskioglu one hehe):

An oasis of innovation - The GE Aerospace Blog | Aviation & Flight News

When you look at Istanbul for the first time as the plane approaches the Ataturk Airport, what’s striking is not just the vastness of the city stretching below your eyes. It is equally impressive to fly over that sea stripe drawn in the Bosphorus Strait, with the Asian continent to the left and...

blog.geaviation.com

Small bit (whole page is good read):

Even inventors can be found among the young people of the TTC, in true Edison style (GE’s career program for young engineering talent at the TTC is widespread). Caner Eksioglu is from Istanbul, but he completed his degree in Vancouver, Canada, leaning toward aeronautics and, for the last six years, has been working in the TTC team of Machining and Model Based Manufacturing. “We design and develop improvements for processes aimed at removing material from blank, or closely formed, shapes to create or repair aircraft engines and aeroderivative engine parts. My daily job is 50% engineering and planning on the computer (Design, CAM, calculations, programming etc) and 50% hands-on (machine validation, cutting tests, inspections etc). One of Caner’s latest innovative engineering solutions is software which calculates the optimum stock for LEAP, GE9X and GEnx blisk parts machining: the latter are engine turbine parts where blades and the disk are integrated. “Probably, ten years from now, we will be designing new engines not in years but in just a few months. We will be manufacturing parts not in months, but in just a week,” he said talking about future perspectives. “Engineering teams like us will put more emphasis on digital technologies (math-physics based quick solutions, digital twins), smart factories (robots, industry 4.0) and new fast manufacturing technologies (additives)”.

He actually sounds lot like guys I have worked with here at PW (and what I have also done at stretches earlier in my career and still now in different way) and what I described partially earlier in the thread (optimisation + process flow w.r.t CAD/CAM).

So great to see folks at GE TTC and TEI finding and implementing innovation on the fly....and it feeds back into the larger GE and aeroengine sector ecosystem over time for all mutual benefit.

Video at end (all so similar to PW, hopefully some of this tech I will cover in more detail in jet-eng. thread):

The original video by the (managing director?) Mr. Aksit makes lot more sense to me, thanks (to everyone so far that posted and helped me out)...we eventually got there in the end heh.

My intuition definitely originally underestimated the scale of what TEI doing/innovating (I did not know about this GE TTC for example, makes sense now)...it makes me want to visit Istanbul area in a different sense for next time heh

....honestly (looking at map) I didn't know Istanbul on Asian side extends that far south-eastwards (Gebze etc).

It looks like the main production facility for TEI is at "Eskisehir" further interior into Turkey.

Mr. Aksit video for reference:

UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

selling to serbia is foolish. How often do we find serb weapons in the hands of the PKK?

defencehub.live

If anyone has any way to give feedback to TEI etc, would appreciate if they can put english subs next (or a re-release with it)...as autotranslate CC is ..though I enjoyed the shop floor visuals etc. Thanks.

@xenon5434 @anmdt @Sinan @UkroTurk @Webslave @Saithan @Test7 et al (I think many more will get auto alert anyway)

here they didnt talk about the t300 engine much, but there TEI mention that its the first one that work with this technology at this size. it use supersonic air flow, to be able to keep the size small, they needed to increase the heat instead of airflow as it wouldnt fit in missile and canister. he said, after being able to finish this project, it will help a lot to develop TFX engine in the future, as it will also use this technology,, so he really talked in details about every project..

 

[Nilgiri]

here they didnt talk about the t300 engine much, but there TEI mention that its the first one that work with this technology at this size. it use supersonic air flow, to be able to keep the size small, they needed to increase the heat instead of airflow as it wouldnt fit in missile and canister. he said, after being able to finish this project, it will help a lot to develop TFX engine in the future, as it will also use this technology,, so he really talked in details about every project..

Here is TJ300 test from mid-2020:

Also an older presentation (this time with ENG subtitles) I believe from the same Mr. Aksit covering some of the same salient points as the newer interview:

Larger thread regarding these developments is here:

Propulsion Systems

This thread is dedicated to built, unbuilt and prototype Turkish engines of all types. With the increased effort of Turkey to develop various domestic vehicles and missiles. Turkey has also decided to exert effort into developing engines, power packs and propulsion systems to power and propel...

defencehub.live

@Cabatli_53 @T-123456 @Quasar @Bogeyman may find last few replies on this thread interesting to read.

@Defence Turkey may also find the last couple pages of this (TFX) thread interesting.

 

[Raptor]

Is Turkey going with DSI design for TFX?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

MMU is not just one aeroplane but a family of planes with variations.

Who is saying that officials said it?
Are you expecting members here to just share the news they heard from someone else and not share their own thoughts. That would be stupid for a forum wouldn't it.

With the unmanned versions of some versions of MMU added they would not just be a family of planes but a clan of them. When you can make all the elements of making a plane yourself you can make many variations of it with 90% commonality. It would be stupid to think a plane is one and only and it will just stop there.

Stop downplaying Turkey's capabilities, when we can make one, we can make many.

Bro, for the last time.


Sharing your own thoughts is ofcourse no problem. Of course you are going to share your thoughts and ideas. No one is against that. For many many times we said we have freedom of expression in our forum.

^^^However this is not sharing your thoughts.

For the last time, i don't want to warn or ban anybody. I never wanted that but you are giving me no other choice. Please, don't do this.

I think there is a slight misunderstanding here. We certainly don't want this forum to be filled with false information, so Sinan does have a point, but what Zafer is saying may turn out to be correct, but it is presented as a fact rather than a speculation (in the first post)



What we know is MMU may start as a 4.5 gen, before entering service as a 5th gen fighter. However it is often touted as being 5+, meaning that there is room for future upgrades.

I wouldn't really call this a family, more of a planned evolution. Also, we don't know much about its autonomous capabilities, who knows, Goksungur and TAI's future fighter drones may be prioritised instead, and MMU may rely mainly on human input, with some AI to aid the pilot.

We don't really know if MMU will have specific variants, but chances are it will be solely focused on air superiority like the F-22, along with the capability to strike ground targets. Though it must be mentioned that by 2030 we should have supersonic drones for the purpose of ground attack.

MMU won't be like the F-35 family, with the A, B & C variants. Neither will it be like the F-18 family, with specialized variants like the Growler (for EW). No, it'll be Turkey's version of the F-22 and its design will be homed in until it's perfect, perhaps being heavily modified decades later to keep up with the latest tech.

MMU won't have a twin seat variant, the Hurjet will likely suffice as an advanced jet trainer. As for a version which can launch from a carrier, who knows at this point. This is a possibility. Truth be told, we are just speculating at this point. But let's not get too ahead of ourselves.

Our drones will fill in niches and each drone will be part of its own family. Meanwhile the MMU is very early in its development, but everything indicates that it will be a platform solely built for one purpose and the entire fleet will likely be upgraded all to the same specification when the time comes.

Yes, like Zafer said, it could become a family. But everything currently indicates that it won't. Just to be clear Zafer isn't the only one who said this, I've seen it on a Turkish YouTube channel.

Now let me just turn everything I said upside down... If MMU is fully autonomous, we could see a "cockpitless" version, which could then be developed into a family of drones. But let me flip the switch once again. Would this even be necassary with the Goksungur and MIUS coming up? Probably not.


The future is going to favour drones. Air superiority fighters will be the last to transition to be unmanned because as of now a pilot is still superior to AI (this could already be changing). But everything else such as attack aircraft, bombers, strike-fighters, EW aircraft will all be drones surprisingly soon. Expect a single drone platform to diversify into many variants. Meanwhile, as mentioned earlier, the only niche which will be dominated by manned aircraft will be air superiority fighters... until AI catches up. This greatly limits the amount of variants we could expect for the MMU "family"


In my opinion this is the most variation I can see:

1. MMU standard variant
2. MMU carrier variant

Continuous upgrades to both, in blocks/phases, different loadouts depending on the mission.

 

[Zafer]

I think there is a slight misunderstanding here. We certainly don't want this forum to be filled with false information, so Sinan does have a point, but what Zafer is saying may turn out to be correct, but it is presented as a fact rather than a speculation (in the first post)



What we know is MMU may start as a 4.5 gen, before entering service as a 5th gen fighter. However it is often touted as being 5+, meaning that there is room for future upgrades.

I wouldn't really call this a family, more of a planned evolution. Also, we don't know much about its autonomous capabilities, who knows, Goksungur and TAI's future fighter drones may be prioritised instead, and MMU may rely mainly on human input, with some AI to aid the pilot.

We don't really know if MMU will have specific variants, but chances are it will be solely focused on air superiority like the F-22, along with the capability to strike ground targets. Though it must be mentioned that by 2030 we should have supersonic drones for the purpose of ground attack.

MMU won't be like the F-35 family, with the A, B & C variants. Neither will it be like the F-18 family, with specialized variants like the Growler (for EW). No, it'll be Turkey's version of the F-22 and its design will be homed in until it's perfect, perhaps being heavily modified decades later to keep up with the latest tech.

MMU won't have a twin seat variant, the Hurjet will likely suffice as an advanced jet trainer. As for a version which can launch from a carrier, who knows at this point. This is a possibility. Truth be told, we are just speculating at this point. But let's not get too ahead of ourselves.

Our drones will fill in niches and each drone will be part of its own family. Meanwhile the MMU is very early in its development, but everything indicates that it will be a platform solely built for one purpose and the entire fleet will likely be upgraded all to the same specification when the time comes.

Yes, like Zafer said, it could become a family. But everything currently indicates that it won't. Just to be clear Zafer isn't the only one who said this, I've seen it on a Turkish YouTube channel.

Now let me just turn everything I said upside down... If MMU is fully autonomous, we could see a "cockpitless" version, which could then be developed into a family of drones. But let me flip the switch once again. Would this even be necassary with the Goksungur and MIUS coming up? Probably not.


The future is going to favour drones. Air superiority fighters will be the last to transition to be unmanned because as of now a pilot is still superior to AI (this could already be changing). But everything else such as attack aircraft, bombers, strike-fighters, EW aircraft will all be drones surprisingly soon. Expect a single drone platform to diversify into many variants. Meanwhile, as mentioned earlier, the only niche which will be dominated by manned aircraft will be air superiority fighters... until AI catches up. This greatly limits the amount of variants we could expect for the MMU "family"


In my opinion this is the most variation I can see:

1. MMU standard variant
2. MMU carrier variant

Continuous upgrades to both, in blocks/phases, different loadouts depending on the mission.

In so many words and there lives the family.

You can't accuse people of spreading false information when he is talking about the future.

 

[Fairon]

MMU bloklar halinde imal edilecek | Tolga Özbek

Milli Muharip Uçak (MMU) blok halinde imal edilecek. Aşama aşama ihtiyaç karşılanacak. Yeni videomuzda, gelişmeleri Tolga Özbek anlatıyor.

tolgaozbek.com

Milli Muharip Uçak bloklar şeklinde geliştirilecek | SavunmaSanayiST

Milli Muharip Uçak (MMU) Projesi, bloklar halinde icra edilecek. Kazanılan kazanımların sonucunda nihai hedefe ulaşılacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Actually Ismail Demir said that the MMU will be produced in blocks. First batch will be 4.5gen and replace the older F16's. I think this is a logical step but I don't think we can say that MMU will be a aircraft family like F35 for now.(It will be strecthing the Ismail Demir's statement) There is no doubt that the navalized version is on consideration but I don't think it will materialized before we have a operational MMU with large numbers. Also we don't have any specification for aircraft carrier yet, MMU could be too big for our possible AC. Hürjet might be more suitable for navalization.(Or a new aircraft based on Hürjet)

 

[Bilal Khan(Quwa)]

Since the TFX is using the F110 or F110-class engine, then it'll basically be an F-15-sized fighter, correct? So, this makes sense for air superiority, deep strike, and maritime operations.

But I'm guessing the Turkish Air Force is investing in the Hurjet as both a LIFT and 'light fighter' -- i.e., the latter for air defence / air-intercept?

In other words, the work of the F-16 is going split between the 'heavy' roles (via TFX) and the 'light' roles (via Hurjet)?

 

[Fairon]

Since the TFX is using the F110 or F110-class engine, then it'll basically be an F-15-sized fighter, correct? So, this makes sense for air superiority, deep strike, and maritime operations.

But I'm guessing the Turkish Air Force is investing in the Hurjet as both a LIFT and 'light fighter' -- i.e., the latter for air defence / air-intercept?

In other words, the work of the F-16 is going split between the 'heavy' roles (via TFX) and the 'light' roles (via Hurjet)?

Well the original plan was to use F35/TFX combination but since the F35 deal is gone I guess the new plan is making the Hurjet fill the F35 role as much as possible(without the network capabilities of F35.) or using TFX variants for different roles.(like F15C and F15E)

To be honest we can't say anything at the moment for future planning because F35 is a unique aircraft(it is a fighter jet with AWAC capabilities) and crucial for Turkish Air Force's future planning. We can only guess how the future of the Turkish Air Force will be structred. It seems though we are still hoping the get the F35 and for that reason we didn't fully commit to the alternative plans.

 

[Hexciter]

I’m expecting a naval variant (Catobar type) and a deep strike variant in the future.

 

[Zafer]

I’m expecting a naval variant (Catobar type) and a deep strike variant in the future.

A flourishing MMU family right there for the naysayers.

 

[Zafer]

A deep strike MMU version should have what we can call peer/buddy fuel transfer capability to replenish the striker from a sidekick peer MMU to extend range.This pops the possibility of yet another MMU family member specialized to use all its payload capacity to carry fuel, a tanker MMU per se.

 

[Bilal Khan(Quwa)]

Well the original plan was to use F35/TFX combination but since the F35 deal is gone I guess the new plan is making the Hurjet fill the F35 role as much as possible(without the network capabilities of F35.) or using TFX variants for different roles.(like F15C and F15E)

To be honest we can't say anything at the moment for future planning because F35 is a unique aircraft(it is a fighter jet with AWAC capabilities) and crucial for Turkish Air Force's future planning. We can only guess how the future of the Turkish Air Force will be structred. It seems though we are still hoping the get the F35 and for that reason we didn't fully commit to the alternative plans.

I agree -- the F-35 is incredibly unique.

I think it's the heaviest single-engine fighter (MTOW: 31.7 tons), and tailor-made for deep strike operations.

If the TuAF intended to use the F-35 as a deep strike asset, then I don't think the Hurjet would ever fill its shoes.

I think the eventual outcome would be a deep strike variant of the TFX. However, the TFX's dimensions are already large, and the F110-class engines is a clear hint that this fighter is going to have a MTOW of at least 32 tons.

IMO the TFX/MMU will probably be deep strike ready, albeit by Block-2 (with the domestic engines).

 

[Yasar_TR]

MR Kotil said that TFX is going to be an aircraft with capabilities somewhere between f35 and f22. So expect an aircraft almost as good in total awareness and sensors and probably better in stealth with the right engine. But not as good as the f22 in terms of stealthiness.
In the meantime expect the same plane in 4++ generation mode in beast form to carry multiple ammo in external bays for air to ground ops.

 

[Combat-Master]

It's a dream, not a pipe-dream.
We also dreamt of building our own battleships, drones, weapon systems, etc.
Some of them came true and some got stuck, but you have to dream in order to create, Combat mate!

Let me reiterate, specific part of my sentence with regards to carrier launched fighter - "Navalised anything Turkish is at this point just a pipe-dream."

Unless we get some solid statements from the upper tier of the government that states we will develop a carrier launched jet fighter, it's just extra fluff being built up on this thread with no circumstantial proof to backup the jiff jaff What is more likely to happen is that Turkey will get good with the U.S. or the the U.S. will change their policies and back Turkey up in the region - allowing Turkey to buy F-35A, F-35B and F-35C variants..

 

[Zafer]

Let me reiterate, specific part of my sentence with regards to carrier launched fighter - "Navalised anything Turkish is at this point just a pipe-dream."

Unless we get some solid statements from the upper tier of the government that states we will develop a carrier launched jet fighter, it's just extra fluff being built up on this thread with no circumstantial proof to backup the jiff jaff What is more likely to happen is that Turkey will get good with the U.S. or the the U.S. will change their policies and back Turkey up in the region - allowing Turkey to buy F-35A, F-35B and F-35C variants..

Very unlikely that US comes to good terms with Turkey.

This is not only a capability thing, this is an industrialization effort.
Long time ago US took the same path and didn't want VTOL aircraft instead they went to the way of making full size aircraft carrier. Only after 11 carriers did US go for the F35B from their ships.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Let me reiterate, specific part of my sentence with regards to carrier launched fighter - "Navalised anything Turkish is at this point just a pipe-dream."

Unless we get some solid statements from the upper tier of the government that states we will develop a carrier launched jet fighter, it's just extra fluff being built up on this thread with no circumstantial proof to backup the jiff jaff What is more likely to happen is that Turkey will get good with the U.S. or the the U.S. will change their policies and back Turkey up in the region - allowing Turkey to buy F-35A, F-35B and F-35C variants..

Right you are!

 

[Combat-Master]

Burak Ege Bokdil

"Turkey’s indigenous fighter program, dubbed TF-X (or MMU in its Turkish acronym), has been crawling over the past years due to technological failures and issues with know-how transfers. Turkish engineers must first select an engine for the planned aircraft before finalizing the design phase."

Turkey launches F-16 life-extension program amid lack of replacement aircraft

Turkey’s procurement and defense authorities have launched a program designed to increase the structural life of the country’s existing fleet of F-16 Block 30 jets from 8,000 flight hours to 12,000.

www.defensenews.com