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I hope things go better for the Turks in Somalia. It did not go well for Pak Army as part of the US led UNOSOM back in 1992. The whole debacle was highlighted by the movie Black Hawk Down ~ PA tanks and APCs saved US Rangers from being toasted but in that movie they only got one scene mention. Typical Hollywood.

I wonder what strategy we’re following. Build upa well trained army, contain al shabab for the time being, and then use drones to target them, or their supplies. It’s no secret the internal problems have given rise to internal divisions.
 

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Madness how people believe the UN embrago stops al shabab getting weapons which was proven wrong. Al shabab gets its weapons from black markets also it is said that uae even the saudis give them funding so they buy weapons. Crazy how Somalia is left to the heel with terrorists while the world turns a blind eye.

Once this un embargo ends I hope Somalia can take back and unite the country. Also Turkish TB2's should target every al shabab leader. Usa failed because the only thing they do is not just target al shabab but also drone strike civilians which leads to even more support for al shabab.

Turkey proven itself to strike military targets with drones without much civilian casualties. Same can be done in Somalia hopefully.
 

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Madness how people believe the UN embrago stops al shabab getting weapons which was proven wrong. Al shabab gets its weapons from black markets also it is said that uae even the saudis give them funding so they buy weapons. Crazy how Somalia is left to the heel with terrorists while the world turns a blind eye.

Once this un embargo ends I hope Somalia can take back and unite the country. Also Turkish TB2's should target every al shabab leader. Usa failed because the only thing they do is not just target al shabab but also drone strike civilians which leads to even more support for al shabab.

Turkey proven itself to strike military targets with drones without much civilian casualties. Same can be done in Somalia hopefully.
I think we're keeping a bit low profile until Somalias armed forces has been beefed up and capable of doing the operations.

Then we'll probably do some TB2 diplomacy as well. Securing Somalias borders is priority IMO.

Also the unity of Somalia. I think searching for gas and oil would be great opportunity and if something is discovered then the chances of Somalia getting better treatment is secured.
 

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Turkish investment in Somalia had broader economic impact: Official​

Hazal Özcan – ANKARA​

Turkish investment in Somalia had broader economic impact: Official

Turkey’s investment and development aid to Somalia has had a broader economic impact in the famine-ridden, war-torn country, according to the special representative of the U.N. secretary-general for Somalia.

“We see Turkish response in key needs. Turkish efforts on road-building [or] private sector initiatives to improve functioning and the performance of the airport to ensure the operation of the seaport have had a broader economic impact, particularly in Mogadishu,” James Swan told the Hürriyet Daily News.

“These are critical pieces of economic infrastructure for the country,” he said.

Turkey and Somalia’s multi-tiered relations accelerated since 2011 when Ankara lent a helping hand to the Horn of Africa country during its catastrophic famine. As then-prime minister and currently incumbent President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan became the first non-African leader to visit Somalia, the two countries have been in close cooperation and partnership ever since.

Today, Turkey’s investment in Somalia totals an amount of $1 billion. Apart from humanitarian and development efforts, Turkey also has its largest-ever military base in the country.

“The extended support through the Turkish military training program has helped to build Somali security capability. This is important because, ultimately the expectation is that Somali forces take over primary responsibility for the nation’s security. But for that to happen, they will have to have trained equipped capable forces,” Swan said.

“Turkey has been supportive in all of those areas,” he added.

Recently, Turkey and many other countries have chipped for Somalia’s debt to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), as part of an initiative the fund kicked off earlier this year to relieve the heavy debts of low-income countries.

According to Swan, the debt relief is significant for Somalia to access new grant financing, especially when it is tackling the COVID-19 pandemic.

But Swan also underlined that it is essential for Somalia to continue the future reforms so that “they can reach the Completion Point and benefit fully from the impact of debt relief.”

Turkish investment in Somalia had broader economic impact: Official
Upcoming elections


As part of reforms, one of Somalia’s objectives is to reach the one-person one-vote electoral system. Although the current system seems more diverse and participatory than the previous one, there is still room for improvement for a democratic transition.

Swan said that even though the agreement signed by political leaders is “disappointing that it doesn’t make progress toward one person one vote,” it still represents a broad consensus among the political leaders.

When asked if it was realistic for Somalia to reach the targeted 30 percent women representation, Swan conveyed that there is currently 24 percent women’s representation in the parliament and that the objective is achievable.

Continuing threat of al-Shabaab

Somalia is also dealing with a substantial security threat for many years, with attacks organized by the al-Shabaab terrorist group. Al-Shabaab has been fighting for over 10 years to dislodge Somalia’s central government. It frequently carries out attacks and bombings on both military and civilian targets and other countries in the region-particularly the neighboring Kenya.

“In the long run, we remain confident that al-Shabaab’s terrorist approach and it’s very negative vision for the future of the country will not ultimately have support among Somalis,” Swan said.

“At the same time, al-Shabaab remains an adaptive and resilient adversary. It continues to conduct complex attacks; it uses improvised explosive devices, and it continues to show even a capability for insurgent style military actions,” he said.

He also stressed the importance of continued responses against the terrorist group.

“I should note that addressing the al-Shabaab threat is not purely a military endeavor. But all of the work that is being done in Somalia to build the institutions of the state, to make the government more functional, to provide services to the population, to deliver justice to enhance development in the country,” Swan added.

 

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If there is nobility in foreign policy Turkey demonstrate example of it with engagement in Somalia, what i know about Turkish involment there is that is far away from approach of western powers, basically grass root building various institution of Somalia state, it is sad that gulf powers distract it with their continous support for Al Shahab. God will give you back good for it when you need it most.
 
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it is sad that gulf powers distract it with their continous support for Al Shahab.
What is Al Shahab?. If what you mean is Al Shabaab, can you prove your words there that Gulf Countries continuously supporting Al Shabaab?
 

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What is Al Shahab?. If what you mean is Al Shabaab, can you prove your words there that Gulf Countries continuously supporting Al Shabaab?
You have numerous articles about it on net, pleas imform yourself if you want.
 

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You have numerous articles about it on net, pleas imform yourself if you want.
"UN officials have previously accused businessmen based in Gulf countries of illegally importing Somali charcoal, but this is the first time they have given prior warning to a government that a shipload of contraband charcoal was heading its way, putting pressure on it to implement the sanctions regime."

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Even though this case was existed, but it was not official government move. And there is no way anti islamist UAE royal will do it.
 

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"UN officials have previously accused businessmen based in Gulf countries of illegally importing Somali charcoal, but this is the first time they have given prior warning to a government that a shipload of contraband charcoal was heading its way, putting pressure on it to implement the sanctions regime."

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Even though this case was existed, but it was not official government move. And there is no way anti islamist UAE royal will do it.
Fair enough, so who finance amd support them?
 

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Do you have the data? If not then you don't know
Apparently that i can not tell for sure, but indications from past give me some insight from where they get the money for their operations. I am not inteligence officer bit this is logical assumption.
 

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Apparently that i can not tell for sure, but indications from past give me some insight from where they get the money for their operations. I am not inteligence officer bit this is logical assumption.
Assumption is not a truth. Anything without evidence is just bullshit. Evidence is hardly needed.
 

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