TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Fatman17]

Fair enough

Ok not wise to call JF 17 garbage or anything our advancement should not a reason for arrogance... especially against friendlies

JF 17 is a succesful project for Pakistan. However it is not for us

 

[Fatman17]

Thanks everyone for the discussions but we know at the end of the day " it's the man behind the wheel or stick " who has the final say regardless of the mount he or she is flying

 

[IC3M@N FX]

It makes no sense if the J-17 can keep up with or even surpass the F-16 Block 60/70, Eurofighter Block 3/4 and the current Rafaele.
Then Turkey wouldn't be knocking on everyone's door, a contract would have been signed with Pakistan long ago to get these fighter jets modified with Turkish avionics and the like.
Then we would save ourselves all the trouble but that is not the case, nothing against our Pakistani friends but the fighter jet is simply inferior to the Western models, and that is nothing to be ashamed of. Turkey also has to deliver first with the KAAN and Hürjet, and only with later blocks will the performance of the western models be achieved.
I am happy to be proven wrong, but I assume that there are experts in the Turkish armed forces who know what they are doing.
Even the advice of TAI will be sought as to which fighter aircraft makes sense and to bring balance and deterrence to the countries around it.

 

[boredaf]

JF-17 has 1.5 tons of payload, unless I'm misremembering, it is not in the same class as other planes that we've been interested in in terms of payload capacity. It is closer to Hürjet in fact. That fact alone should disqualify it, let alone 40% of it being produced at China last time I checked.

If we can't get F-16s or Eurofighters, we have to focus on engine development and Hürjet's second iteration, on top of drones like Anka-3 and KE. While I do believe we need interim solutions until Kaan is ready, we shouldn't just get jets just so we could say we get them.

 

[Fatman17]

JF-17C is comparable to early model F16s ( Block 25 to 40). I'm sure it will give a good account of itself especially in the hands of a experienced fighter pilot.

It makes no sense if the J-17 can keep up with or even surpass the F-16 Block 60/70, Eurofighter Block 3/4 and the current Rafaele.
Then Turkey wouldn't be knocking on everyone's door, a contract would have been signed with Pakistan long ago to get these fighter jets modified with Turkish avionics and the like.
Then we would save ourselves all the trouble but that is not the case, nothing against our Pakistani friends but the fighter jet is simply inferior to the Western models, and that is nothing to be ashamed of. Turkey also has to deliver first with the KAAN and Hürjet, and only with later blocks will the performance of the western models be achieved.
I am happy to be proven wrong, but I assume that there are experts in the Turkish armed forces who know what they are doing.
Even the advice of TAI will be sought as to which fighter aircraft makes sense and to bring balance and deterrence to the countries around it.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

JF-17C is comparable to early model F16s ( Block 25 to 40). I'm sure it will give a good account of itself especially in the hands of a experienced fighter pilot.

And that's the problem: you can't possibly have 300-400 excellent pilots who also have incredible experience.
That's utopian, and so a very advanced aircraft masks some of these inaccessibilities.
The aircraft itself basically takes on some of these necessary characteristics on the battlefield to increase its survivability.
Because no matter how good a pilot you are, if the enemy aircraft has an above-average pilot and is technically at least two levels above you, you've already lost, even if you have exceptional flying talent.
After all, no country in the world will send a lousy or completely mediocre pilot in a latest-generation fighter jet, because after all, these are valuable defense assets.

No country in the world, not even India, will ever attack Pakistan or exert massive pressure.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons and that is an insurance policy that Turkey does not have. Therefore, J-17s would be enough to respond to conflicts; for everything else, the threat of nuclear weapons is there to keep the enemy's feet still.

 

[Fatman17]

And that's the problem: you can't possibly have 300-400 excellent pilots who also have incredible experience.
That's utopian, and so a very advanced aircraft masks some of these inaccessibilities.
The aircraft itself basically takes on some of these necessary characteristics on the battlefield to increase its survivability.
Because no matter how good a pilot you are, if the enemy aircraft has an above-average pilot and is technically at least two levels above you, you've already lost, even if you have exceptional flying talent.
After all, no country in the world will send a lousy or completely mediocre pilot in a latest-generation fighter jet, because after all, these are valuable defense assets.

No country in the world, not even India, will ever attack Pakistan or exert massive pressure.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons and that is an insurance policy that Turkey does not have. Therefore, J-17s would be enough to respond to conflicts; for everything else, the threat of nuclear weapons is there to keep the enemy's feet still.

You may be right but the track record of our small yet hard-hitting airforce known to all adversaries esp india. We proved it yet again a few February's ago. JF-17 is a medium tech aircraft with our F16s and now J10CP as our high tech assets. Finally the nuclear card does deter india (so far).

 

[UkroTurk]

What's the credibility of the source?

TÜRKİYE İSVEÇ YAPIMI GRIPEN SAVAŞ UÇAĞINA MI YÖNELDİ? — Son Dakika Havacılık Haberleri | Türk Hava Yolları, Pegasus, Sunexpress, Corendon, Havacılık, Havayolları, Havalimanları, Havaalanları, THY, Hostes, Pilot, Uçak, Kabin Memuru, SHGM, DHMİ

İsveç'in uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başlaması İsveç basınında Jas

www.airlinehaber.com

İsveç'ten kritik Türkiye kararı! Ambargo kaldırıldı

İsveç, uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başladı.

www.f5haber.com

 

[TheInsider]

What's the credibility of the source?

TÜRKİYE İSVEÇ YAPIMI GRIPEN SAVAŞ UÇAĞINA MI YÖNELDİ? — Son Dakika Havacılık Haberleri | Türk Hava Yolları, Pegasus, Sunexpress, Corendon, Havacılık, Havayolları, Havalimanları, Havaalanları, THY, Hostes, Pilot, Uçak, Kabin Memuru, SHGM, DHMİ

İsveç'in uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başlaması İsveç basınında Jas

www.airlinehaber.com

İsveç'ten kritik Türkiye kararı! Ambargo kaldırıldı

İsveç, uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başladı.

www.f5haber.com

Fake news.

 

[UkroTurk]

Fake news.

The news might be fake ob the other hand Critical Türkiye decision from Sweden! Embargo lifted
After a long embargo process, Sweden started to approve export licenses for Turkey in the field of defense industry.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.yeniakit.com.tr/foto-galeri/turkiye-yeni-f-35ini-buldu-abd-savas-ucagindan-cok-daha-ucuz-anlasma-her-an-olabilir-71259&ved=2ahUKEwiCq_jAm72DAxXdS_EDHZXMDucQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw14RQvY4j_HmSG06RW1OCdQ

 

[Nutuk]

Turkiye should in my honest opinion not go for Eurofighter. Let's face it everything that European consortiums have build are crap.

NH90 is crap, Tiger helicopter was crap (Australia dumped both and reverts back to American quality), the British retire their Eurofighter's at half life.

We are used to sturdy helicopters and fighter jets, we really torture the life out of the UH-60 black hawks, we use our F16's to depletion. Eurofighter is an aircraft that will give us a lot of headache.

 

[TR_123456]

To my honorable Turkish members. Can someone update me on the status of delivery of 52 Super Mushak basic trainer to the TuAF. Thanks

First 3 delivered in October 2022,no news about the rest.

 

[boredaf]

The news might be fake ob the other hand Critical Türkiye decision from Sweden! Embargo lifted
After a long embargo process, Sweden started to approve export licenses for Turkey in the field of defense industry.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.yeniakit.com.tr/foto-galeri/turkiye-yeni-f-35ini-buldu-abd-savas-ucagindan-cok-daha-ucuz-anlasma-her-an-olabilir-71259&ved=2ahUKEwiCq_jAm72DAxXdS_EDHZXMDucQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw14RQvY4j_HmSG06RW1OCdQ

Doesn't really matter when it comes to Gripen, it would still require US approval as it has engines and other components from them.

 

[DBdev]

Turkiye should in my honest opinion not go for Eurofighter. Let's face it everything that European consortiums have build are crap.

NH90 is crap, Tiger helicopter was crap (Australia dumped both and reverts back to American quality), the British retire their Eurofighter's at half life.

We are used to sturdy helicopters and fighter jets, we really torture the life out of the UH-60 black hawks, we use our F16's to depletion. Eurofighter is an aircraft that will give us a lot of headache.

Only criteria that matters in a modern day war is RCS, Gripen-E is a small plane but still not stealthy, our Kizilelma would do a better job and can take more risks than manned Gripen can. Kizilelma, Anka-3 and Kaan production line, stealth materials R&D, must be sped up instead of wasting billions on STILL expensive (65$million*instead of $200million Eurofighter) Gripen-E target plane. Anything less stealthy than F-35 is a bad investment in year 2024. At least we can make our planes more stealthy by R&D. But not if we waste those tens of billions in R&D money on shiny but obsolete 4th gen fighters when first 6th gen plane B-21 Raider is already on the air with a RCS smaller than a mosquito not only in S, L and X bands but in UHF and VHF band too. Northrop Grumman B-21 is pretty much an UFO at this point, stealth wise.

 

[Sanchez]

UK is to to strip Tranche 1 EF2000s to supply T2 and T3. There goes one more possible idea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743577559646847159

 

[Quasar]

Fake targets produced for the Air Force by the Turkish TDU defense company... The company can produce fake itargets of any platform, regardless of air, land or sea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743631023152193589

 

[Afif]

Only criteria that matters in a modern day war is RCS,

Passive targeting (from onboard and off-board sensor fusion) and network-centric articeture are equally important.

 

[Rodeo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744086178821738583

 

[uçuyorum]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744086178821738583

I wonder if this is prep for also agreeing to sell to Turkey or it's to tell everyone look we authorized one of them it should be enough kinda thing that makes it even more unlikely for us.

 

[Rodeo]

I wonder if this is prep for also agreeing to sell to Turkey or it's to tell everyone look we authorized one of them it should be enough kinda thing that makes it even more unlikely for us.

I always assume the worst when it comes to German politics.