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[Radonsider]

I understand your claim, but could you actually cite technical data that the airframe designed done by Akaer improve TAI Hurjet's payload or could you at least a link to the alledged interview that the MD of TAI (Tusas) claims that Hurjet will be designed to carry 5,000kg (11,000lb) of payload. It is difficult to believe that TAI (Tusas) has not updated for a major upgrade like that.

Also for the Wing Area. I have managed to find an old photo by TAI (Tusas) on Defence Turkey and it claims Wing Area of being 24m2. So, the wing area DID increase, but only from 24m2 to 25m2, which is within the range for this class of aeroplane.

I don't have the links ready, with some search I can find them.

Also, they literally don't update anything, same with TF-X, the website is the same with how it was in 2018, a lot have been changed since then and no update

 

[TechNamu]

I don't have the links ready, with some search I can find them.

Also, they literally don't update anything, same with TF-X, the website is the same with how it was in 2018, a lot have been changed since then and no update

I doubt TAI literally hasn't upadted anything, especially since 2018.

Here an archive from 2020. It will tell you that many specs have been updated on TAI's website such as TAI Hurjet's thrust which was 19,200lb as Turkey was leaning more towards Eurojet EJ200 at the time. I am not sure if the website is the same with how it was in 2018.

 

[Radonsider]

I doubt TAI literally hasn't upadted anything, especially since 2018.

Here an archive from 2020. It will tell you that many specs have been updated on TAI's website such as TAI Hurjet's thrust which was 19,200lb as Turkey was leaning more towards Eurojet EJ200 at the time. I am not sure if the website is the same with how it was in 2018.

Hmm, i get it. They changed it when they added a 3d model. In the TF-X it still says cooperation with Turkish F-35As or smt like that.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I understand your claim, but could you actually cite technical data that the airframe designed done by Akaer has improved TAI Hurjet's payload or could you at least a link to the alledged interview that the MD of TAI (Tusas) claims that Hurjet will be designed to carry 5,000kg (11,000lb) of payload. It is difficult to believe that TAI (Tusas) has not updated for a major upgrade like that on their website

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Also for Wing Area. I have managed to find an old 2021 photo by TAI (Tusas) on Defence Turkey and it claims Wing Area of being 24m2. So, the wing area DID increase, but only from 24m2 to 25m2, which is within the range for this class of aeroplane. The updated Wing Area of 25m2 is mentioned on TAI's official broucher.

These are not claims. But known facts. I myself listened to Temel Kotil the MD of Tusas’s interview, where he said “this is a plane that will carry 5000kg of payload”.
Below is the interview of VP of Akaer re Hurjet.

Akaer Group is responsible for developing parts of Turkish advanced trainer - Akaer

The partnership was possible due to the expertise of the Brazilian industry Akaer participates in the HÜRJET program, of the Turkish Aerospace Industry (TAI), and…

www.akaer.com.br

Unfortunately there is a common lack of updating of internet sites among most Turkish companies. TAI is one of the worst. Some sites cite it as a 1.2mach plane. Some say 2721kg payload capacity, some say 3000kg. Latest site gives wing area as 35m2.
The sort of source information you are demanding is probably can’t be given by TAI as well, since it may even infringe on military and company secrecy agreements.

 

[TechNamu]

These are not claims. But known facts. I myself listened to Temel Kotil the MD of Tusas’s interview, where he said “this is a plane that will carry 5000kg of payload”.
Below is the interview of VP of Akaer re Hurjet.

Akaer Group is responsible for developing parts of Turkish advanced trainer - Akaer

The partnership was possible due to the expertise of the Brazilian industry Akaer participates in the HÜRJET program, of the Turkish Aerospace Industry (TAI), and…

www.akaer.com.br

Unfortunately there is a common lack of updating of internet sites among most Turkish companies. TAI is one of the worst. Some sites cite it as a 1.2mach plane. Some say 2721kg payload capacity, some say 3000kg. Latest site gives wing area as 35m2.
The sort of source information you are demanding is probably can’t be given by TAI as well, since it may even infringe on military and company secrecy agreements.

I am sorry, but that is just a claim. I'd be very appreciated if you could at least link me the interview where Mr Kotil claims that Tai Hurjet will be designed to carry max. payload of 5,000kg (11,000 lb). That's not a military and company secret.

In fact, Payload Capacity is one of advertised specs on their own website and you are disputing the advertised specs without any concrete evidence. I appreciate your link, but sadly It does not mention about 5000kg (11,000 lb) of payload anywhere in the article.

What I have gathered by reading through the DefenceTurkey.com article, until recently Turkey did not confirm which engine that they wanted to use for TAI Hurjet so the confusion over the specs was understandable, but TAI (Tusas) upated the specs of Hurjet accordingly when they set on GE F404 rather than Eurojet EJ200 on their website & the information broucher.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I am sorry, but that is just a claim. I'd be very appreciated if you could at least link me the interview where Mr Kotil claims that Tai Hurjet will be designed to carry max. payload of 5,000kg (11,000 lb). That's not a military and company secret.

In fact, Payload Capacity is one of advertised specs on their own website and you are disputing without any concrete evidence. I appreciate your link, but It sadly does not mention about 5000kg (11,000 lb) of payload anywhere in the article.

What I have gathered by reading through the DefenceTurkey.com article, until recently Turkey did not confirm which engine that they wanted to use for TAI Hurjet so the confusion over the specs was understandable, but TAI (Tusas) upated the specs of Hurjet accordingly when they set on GE F404 rather than Eurojet EJ200 on their website.

Please go to @Cabatli_53 ’s post #3328 at “TFX and Turkish fighter and trainer aircraft projects” thread. Watch it. If you know Turkish he says what I have just told you. “More than 5000 kg of bombs”

Instead of rummaging through internet. Just go back and read some of the old posts here. There will be more information that may satisfy you.

 

[TechNamu]

Please go to @Cabatli_53 ’s post #3323 at “TFX and Turkish fighter and trainer aircraft projects” thread. Watch it. If you know Turkish he says what I have just told you.

Post #3323 at “TFX and Turkish fighter and trainer aircraft projects” thread is posted by @Agha_Sher. Could you give me a direct link?

 

[Radonsider]

Post #3323 at “TFX and Turkish fighter and trainer aircraft projects” thread is posted by @Agha_Sher. Could you give me a direct link?

Look at 52:40/46

 

[TechNamu]

Look at 52:40/46

Thanks mate, I appreciate it.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Post #3323 at “TFX and Turkish fighter and trainer aircraft projects” thread is posted by @Agha_Sher. Could you give me a direct link?

Sorry my bad #3328

 

[Radonsider]

Thanks mate, I appreciate it.

No problem.

It is very usual for us to not find the videos/sources easily as there are so much information. Thanks @Yasar

 

[Zafer]

There will likely be several different Hürjet configurations.

 

[Zafer]

There will likely be several different Hürjet configurations. Like naval, trainer, light attack with possible different geometry and/or engines, I am guessing.

 

[TheInsider]

There will likely be several different Hürjet configurations. Like naval, trainer, light attack with possible different geometry and/or engines, I am guessing.

This is what will happen. Training and light fighter versions will have a good amount of differences. The light fighter version will probably make its first flight in 2025.

 

[Radonsider]

This is what will happen. Training and light fighter versions will have a good amount of differences. The light fighter version will probably make its first flight in 2025.

Don't know, I think that they will make it happen before that. Malaysia needs it before 2026

 

[Zafer]

Three versions like training, fighter and naval. Naval version with a bigger wing area for short take off. Guessing.

 

[Huelague]

Post #3323 at “TFX and Turkish fighter and trainer aircraft projects” thread is posted by @Agha_Sher. Could you give me a direct link?

It’s a well known fact that Turkish Defence companies doesn’t hold their websites updated.

 

[Rodeo]

It’s a well known fact that Turkish Defence companies doesn’t hold their websites updated.

Except Baykar?

 

[TechNamu]

It’s a well known fact that Turkish Defence companies doesn’t hold their websites updated.

However, TAI did update their website for Hurjet when they ended up choosing GE F404 instead of Eurojet EJ200. So I thought they would do the same with any change.

Anyhow, I have figured out the inconsistency in Wing Area between the TAI's official information for Hurjet on their website and on their official broucher. It seems like some dumb employee fails to correctly convert the numbers in the imperial system into the metric system. Wing Area of Hurjet is 270 ft2 and the figure consists with the figure both on the broucher and on the website.

270 ft^2 is about 25 m^2, so the broucher is correct. This mistake is understandable since Turkish engineers who probably learnt from American as they are a user of American fighter jets would probably also use the imperial system for designing aeroplanes.

Now, It doesn't mean Hurjet theoretically won't be able to carry 5000kg of payload since Super Skyhawk which had the same engine and a smaller wing area was able to lift about 4,500 kg of bomb with its 5 hard points. However, I lean more towards the specs stated on the official broucher are again correct, which is 2721kg.

Regarding to the video clip that user @Radonsider linked, I don't understand Turkish, but what I have gathered by using a translator is that Mr Kotil said that the trainer will make you carry 5 (tonnes?). I am pretty sure he didn't specifiy whether if it means MTOW (maximum take-off weight) or payload or even the empty weight of the advanced jet trainer itself. Again, I don't speak Turkish so correct me if Kotil said something like MTOW.

For a reference, Boeing-Saab T-7A which is also a newly developed AJT with the same engine is rumoured to have MTOW of about 5,500 kg as well.

 

[Yasar_TR]

However, TAI did update their website for Hurjet when they ended up choosing GE F404 instead of Eurojet EJ200. So I thought they would do the same with any change.

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Anyhow, I have figured out the inconsistency in Wing Area between the TAI's official information for Hurjet on their website and on their official broucher. It seems like some dumb employee fails to correctly convert the numbers in the imperial system into the metric system. Wing Area of Hurjet is 270 ft2 and the figure consists with the figure both on the broucher and on the website.

270 ft^2 is about 25 m^2, so the broucher is correct. This mistake is understandable since Turkish engineers who probably learnt from American as they are a user of American fighter jets would probably also use the imperial system for designing aeroplanes.

Now, It doesn't mean Hurjet theoretically won't be able to carry 5000kg of payload since Super Skyhawk which had the same engine and a smaller wing area was able to lift about 4,500 kg of bomb with its 5 hard points. However, I lean more towards the specs stated on the official broucher are again correct, which is 2721kg.

Regarding to the video clip that user @Radonsider linked, I don't understand Turkish, but what I have gathered by using a translator is that Mr Kotil said that the trainer will make you carry 5 (tonnes?). I am pretty sure he didn't specifiy whether if it means MTOW (maximum take-off weight) or payload or even the empty weight of the advanced jet trainer itself. Again, I don't speak Turkish so correct me if Kotil said something like MTOW.

For a reference, Boeing-Saab T-7A which is also a newly developed AJT with the same engine is rumoured to have MTOW of about 5,500 kg as well.

If you re read my post again you will see that I have already told you this. He says: ” Hurjet has over 5tons of bombs on it. We are in the process of making sure it lands and takes off with it from a carrier too”
You are making assumptions without concrete proof in your hand. Everyone here is telling you not to take what it says on the brochures as gospel. But you are not listening.
Hurjet will have 3 different configurations.
Trainer Hurjet
CAS light fighter jet Hurjet
Navalised Hurjet
They all will be quite different from each other. There is no point in building a navalised Hurjet then only use it as a trainer. It wouldn’t be cost effective.
Same goes for the CAS version.
Until we see the first prototype out of the Hangar, all anyone can do at the moment is speculate.