TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Ryder]

The moment will come where they need our help and defend. Than we will remember this days.

We shouldnt help them.

 

[Heartbang]

couple thousand

How merciful of you!

I'd say a million at the very least!

 

[2033]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1817928677432152462

Eurofighter CEO Mezzanatto stated that Turkey wanted to buy 40-50 Eurofighters, but Germany blocked these attempts.

Italian CEO emphasized that the blockage may have been made due to Turkey's natural gas activities in the Eastern Mediterranean.

I disagree with the second paragraph

We buy Reis class submarines from Germany and we have not had any problems.

I think Germany will not support France-Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean. Germany is not happy with our presence in northern Syria and northern Iraq.

 

[Slayer]

There will always be wars. History has a habit of repeating itself. USA, Israel and the EU do NOT want to see Turkiye as a military and economic powerhouse because that means we can dictate our own foreign policy (remember when we denied the usa access to the second Gulf war? They still haven't forgotten). And even worse, competition on the international arms market.

 

[TR_123456]

We buy Reis class submarines from Germany and we have not had any problems.

You sure about that?

 

[Ryder]

There will always be wars. History has a habit of repeating itself. USA, Israel and the EU do NOT want to see Turkiye as a military and economic powerhouse because that means we can dictate our own foreign policy (remember when we denied the usa access to the second Gulf war? They still haven't forgotten). And even worse, competition on the international arms market.

How about time people woke up to the coffee.

People think Iran, China and Russia are only threats along with Arab countries to Turkiye while they love purposely to ignore the USA, EU and Israel.

They will never accept you as equals or apart of their race or even apart of their civilisation. People need to get this through their skulls.

Turkiye was only backed by the Usa and the Eu as a buffer against Russia. Now Turkiye has now outgrown its role that it is being treated as a threat to their interests.

People think its Erdogan that is the problem. Even if Erdogan is gone they still wont change their tune.

 

[Saithan]

Mate, you sound like a broken record. repeating the same stuff over and over again. I don't see anyone in this forum who considers most of the western countries as genuine allies.

We have interests and if they allign then we walk together for a while. Now Spain is and could possibly be considered the most friendly western ally we have atm. The Brits are playing their game "good cop, bad cop" (US, or with the help of some EU allies). etc. etc. etc.

All of that is done in the interest of keeping Türkeye within they reach or area of influence.

That's it.

 

[boredaf]

All of that is done in the interest of keeping Türkeye within they reach or area of influence.

They cannot afford the alienate us completely unless something radically changes, and that is not just because of Russia. The world has 2 spheres of influence right now, and if they kick us out of theirs completely, we would have no choice but to ally ourselves with the other. And that would cause Mediterranean to stop being a NATO lake, which would force them to commit extra resources, from all branches of their militaries, to a flank that wasn't there before, forcing them to go against Russia and China with weaker forces.

And another reason is that we are extremely integrated into all levels of NATO structure. Not just our military but some of our companies have done and are working on critical systems for them.

Let's also not forget, other than US military, nobody in NATO has as much experience as we do in actual war. "Thanks" to their support of terrorists and regimes around us, we've been actively fighting and improving ourselves for decades while most other NATO countries can barely keep their militaries functional. Forcing us to ally with China and Russia would be a catastrophic mistake for the West.

 

[Ryder]

Mate, you sound like a broken record. repeating the same stuff over and over again. I don't see anyone in this forum who considers most of the western countries as genuine allies.

We have interests and if they allign then we walk together for a while. Now Spain is and could possibly be considered the most friendly western ally we have atm. The Brits are playing their game "good cop, bad cop" (US, or with the help of some EU allies). etc. etc. etc.

All of that is done in the interest of keeping Türkeye within they reach or area of influence.

That's it.

Alliances are only used to further goals

 

[dBSPL]

Turquía sale al rescate del caza chatarra de España

España busca un acuerdo con Turquía para intercambiar aviones militares.

www.huffingtonpost.es

The Spanish Air and Space Army has decided to replace its F-5 aircraft with 24 Turkish-made Hurjet advanced trainers. In addition, the strategic transport fleet will be expanded with the acquisition of six new A400M aircraft. These changes are part of the modernization of the Spanish air force, improving both training and transport capabilities. After half a century of service, the aircraft will cease service in 2030.

Last Sunday, a prototype of the new models landed at the Torrejón de Ardoz base and a Spanish delegation will travel to Turkey in a few weeks to put an aircraft exchange agreement on the table. Spain replaces the F-5 and disposes of part of the unused A400M.

Spain is looking to dispose of ten aircraft of this type. Initially it ordered 27 A400M aircraft, but later assured that only 14 would be used. A year ago, the Minister of Defense, Margarita Robles, explained that in the end Spain would be left with 17, so it is looking to dispose of ten.

It is unclear how the deal will be finalized and what the delivery schedules will be, but what we do know is that Spain wants to hand over a total of 10 A400Ms to another country air force, without taking into service. And I think the other important detail is that the Hurjet will be configured as an advanced training jet and light attack jet not only for the air force but also for the naval aviation, which creates a significant potential for future Turkish-Spanish defense industry cooperation.

 

[what]

One A400M is around 120m € per piece. 10x around 1.2 bln €
24 Hürjet, how expensive can they be? I think there might be a bit of money involved too.

 

[Afif]

One A400M is around 120m € per piece. 10x around 1.2 bln €
24 Hürjet, how expensive can they be? I think there might be a bit of money involved too.

A400M current cost is higher.
Hurjet trainer is likely around $40 millions each. 6x A400M will be transferred for 24x Hurjet. That's what has been claimed here by one of the members few days ago, iirc.

 

[Sanchez]

It is unclear how the deal will be finalized and what the delivery schedules will be, but what we do know is that Spain wants to hand over a total of 10 A400Ms to another country air force, without taking into service. And I think the other important detail is that the Hurjet will be configured as an advanced training jet and light attack jet not only for the air force but also for the naval aviation, which creates a significant potential for future Turkish-Spanish defense industry cooperation.

Spain currently does not have plans to build a second, larger carrier. They had made plans more than a decade ago for a second LHD but they went nowhere. There is currently some external push from pundits or two (both articles talk about Turkish programs as well for the interested) for a second LHD to double L61, but not a true carrier, so they wouldn't have a use for Hürjet-N. Per them, they simply don't have the budget for a new carrier, a new airwing(Harrier or F-35B?) and escorts. They didn't even finalize an F-35 order yet. If they did, they could make a valuable partner to share the costs for our own project in the future.