TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Fairon]

I wonder what is included in the deal.

Joint-developement of AWACS and maritime patrol aircraft based on C390 or E-Jet2 series might be interesting.( Yes E290 is not as capable as B737 but might just capable enough)

Also slowly replacing C130s with C390's that we can modify as we want sounds tempting.( If that can be included in the deals)

 

[Saithan]

I think it's important to balance things. While atm we are heavily relient on LM and Airbus I think the CN235 was a nice little niche that could allow us to cooperate more with Spain/Indonesia.

I do not think we should reduce our cooperation on CN235 or better/newer platforms. Especially not if we're expecting customers for KAAN and anything else we want to sell.

Just as I expect LM and Airbus are using our production capability to civil aviation as a give-and-take moving too much to a different platform might mean they'll move/shift production elsewhere.

But we need to somehow break the ice and having a small, but reliable start is important. Let's not put all our eggs in one basket

 

[dBSPL]

I honestly don't think that the Air Force will be satisfied with such limited capacity in the tactical air cargo fleet in the next generation after 235s. There may be a joint development with a country or there may be an under-license production, but as a precedent, I believe that C-27J can be considered as a lowest limit. With the C27J as an example, you can fly close to 5000km with 5 tons of payload, while with CN235s you can fly around of 1000km.

 

[Sanchez]

I honestly don't think that the Air Force will be satisfied with such limited capacity in the tactical air cargo fleet in the next generation after 235s. There may be a joint development with a country or there may be an under-license production, but as a precedent, I believe that C-27J can be considered as a lowest limit. With the C27J as an example, you can fly close to 5000km with 5 tons of payload, while with CN235s you can fly around of 1000km.

Air Force already had a plan 6-7 years ago for a larger aircraft, Genel Maksat Uçağı(GMU) program to acquire 6 CN-295 and C-27J were both supposed to be participants but program was cancelled I believe.

I always liked the CN-235. We got them to basically replace DC-3s. We have nearly 50 in service in the air force alone. They proved to be real work horses for any transport missions between bases over the last 3 decades. Suffice to say we probably outgrew them at this point.

 

[dBSPL]

Air Force already had a plan 6-7 years ago for a larger aircraft, Genel Maksat Uçağı(GMU) program to acquire 6 CN-295 and C-27J were both supposed to be participants but program was cancelled I believe.

I always liked the CN-235. We got them to basically replace DC-3s. We have nearly 50 in service in the air force alone. They proved to be real work horses for any transport missions between bases over the last 3 decades. Suffice to say we probably outgrew them at this point.

I have the same emotional attachment to the CN-235. However, when I think about some of the logistics lines that the air force needs to fly non-stop and without resupply today and in the next 50 years, I draw a rough ruler and realize that the smallest aircraft currently in service that can fly these distances with a load of 4-5 tons are C27Js. If we don't include most far bases like Mogadishu, 295s are also sufficient. In short, I think we will moving towards a more medium class in the tactical fleet because in his way fleet can cover also small payload on long distances. I hope that these aircraft will be produced domestically too.

 

[Saithan]

Isn't it fine to have a variety, as long as it sustains and expands our knowledge and maintenance capabilities ? the C-295 could be a nice addition as it should be fairly similar to CN235

CN235 & C295

Find out how to recognise all the different versions of the CASA-IPTN CN235 and CASA 295, and learn what are the differences between the Bae Hawk and similar aircraft types like the Aeritalia G222, Alenia C-27J, Fairchild C-123 Provider and Antonov An-26/An-32.

www.aircraftrecognitionguide.com

 

[Ştutgart]

Roketsan Burç air defense system

 

[boredaf]

“Germany wants a written guarantee from Turkey that its Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes will not be used in the Aegean.”

— MEE

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846545583126827206

No.

Best we could do is a pinky promise. Also, they'll change this position as well, imo, they already came from refusing outright to dragging their feet while sulking and asking for this. They need this sale almost as much as we need this purchase.

 

[chngr]

Best we could do is a pinky promise. Also, they'll change this position as well, imo, they already came from refusing outright to dragging their feet while sulking and asking for this. They need this sale almost as much as we need this purchase.

You will still rely on spare parts from Germany...Germany is unreliable partner

 

[Zafer]

Germany wants written guaranties from Türkiye about not using the Eurofighter over the Aegean.

We don't need them anyway.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846545583126827206

 

[boredaf]

You will still rely on spare parts from Germany...Germany is unreliable partner

Purchase would naturally include some spare parts, kind we would/might need in short term and that is more than enough. We won't have to rely on Eurofighters for decades like we have been doing with F-16s. We just have to make sure deliveries are done without a problem, which Italy and UK would also want (and clearly they've been pushing on our behalf) and that is all we need.

 

[Oublious]

“Germany wants a written guarantee from Turkey that its Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes will not be used in the Aegean.”

— MEE

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846545583126827206

No.

Looks like fake news, i did search it but ther is nothing about writing about gurantee.

 

[boredaf]

Looks like fake news, i did search it but ther is nothing about writing about gurantee.

The source of their news is Middle East Eye, there is nothing anywhere else as far as I can tell and others are just quoting them.

 

[Sanchez]

Off topic posts removed.

-
"Ministry of National Defense sources said the following about the Eurofighter and F-16 procurement:


Regarding the procurement of F-16s, a contract was signed in recent months, a timetable has been set and the process is proceeding as planned.

As for the procurement of the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, work at the technical level continues. These studies are being carried out in order to speed up the process. No conditions have been raised in these studies."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846841003115700499

Well, this is certainly news to me. Unless the source or M5 mistook the quote, F-16 deal is signed already(?)

Per EF-2000, any possible conditions wouldn't be discussed in the technical level talks but political. Nonetheless, good news there as well.

 

[Saithan]

Something that big would not be missed by defense sector people.

I think the ministry of defense blah blah is blowing smoke up our arses or what is more likely they're talking past each other.

That said I really like the Burc every base outpost should have one or two of these with the deployed troops.

 

[Sanchez]

Something that big would not be missed by defense sector people.

I think the ministry of defense blah blah is blowing smoke up our arses or what is more likely they're talking past each other.

That said I really like the Burc every base outpost should have one or two of these with the deployed troops.

Could be a scoop. M5 is made by sector veterans, though they are not above some falsification like any other. Let's see.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846854472779067436

In the statement made by the Ministry of National Defense, it was emphasized that no conditions were put forward in the "technical talks" for the EF.

 

[Zoth]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846854472779067436

In the statement made by the Ministry of National Defense, it was emphasized that no conditions were put forward in the "technical talks" for the EF.

Germany will eventually have to give in, it already pissed off all the consortium members, due to their blockage of sales for no reason. Hence the reason they don't want to include Germany in any joint production stuff anymore. Consortium wants to keep the EF production line alive and we are the only customer left for that. And if everything goes well, we might even get more EFs so it's really a win/win situation for both sides.

So no, no conditions will be accepted, unless Germany wants to sever it's ties with other consortium members even more. It will have to eventually give in.

 

[Sanchez]

"On the other hand, the Turkish Air Force will also gain ramjet-propelled METEOR air-to-air missile capability with the Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft. Good news is expected to come in a few days regarding the Eurofighter Typoon procurement. If the source code supply required for the integration of national missile and sensor systems (for the Tranche 3+ Block 7 version, which is also in the QEAF(Qatari) inventory) is possible as requested, we will be able to see GÖKHAN on the Eurofighter Typhoon as well..."

Ibrahim Sünnetci on LinkedIn: TÜBİTAK SAGE Ana Yükleniciliğinde geliştirme çalışmaları devam eden ramjet… | 15 comments

TÜBİTAK SAGE Ana Yükleniciliğinde geliştirme çalışmaları devam eden ramjet itkili uzun menzilli hava-hava füzesi GÖKHAN ile ilk atışlı testlerin 2025 yılı… | 15 comments on LinkedIn

www.linkedin.com

I don't think France would okay selling Meteor AAM to Turkey, but let's see.

 

[somegoodusername]

"On the other hand, the Turkish Air Force will also gain ramjet-propelled METEOR air-to-air missile capability with the Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft. Good news is expected to come in a few days regarding the Eurofighter Typoon procurement. If the source code supply required for the integration of national missile and sensor systems (for the Tranche 3+ Block 7 version, which is also in the QEAF(Qatari) inventory) is possible as requested, we will be able to see GÖKHAN on the Eurofighter Typhoon as well..."

Ibrahim Sünnetci on LinkedIn: TÜBİTAK SAGE Ana Yükleniciliğinde geliştirme çalışmaları devam eden ramjet… | 15 comments

TÜBİTAK SAGE Ana Yükleniciliğinde geliştirme çalışmaları devam eden ramjet itkili uzun menzilli hava-hava füzesi GÖKHAN ile ilk atışlı testlerin 2025 yılı… | 15 comments on LinkedIn

www.linkedin.com

I don't think France would okay selling Meteor AAM to Turkey, but let's see.

Maybe the UK can produce the entire missile on its own, and their contract doesn’t require France’s agreement for exports? How does the METEOR partnership work? I feel like the UK desires the freedom to export their defense products without needing approval from third parties. Perhaps they structured the METEOR agreement that way.

İbrahim Sünnetçi is not type of of the guy that makes baseless claims.