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[Sanchez]

Something that big would not be missed by defense sector people.

I think the ministry of defense blah blah is blowing smoke up our arses or what is more likely they're talking past each other.

That said I really like the Burc every base outpost should have one or two of these with the deployed troops.

Could be a scoop. M5 is made by sector veterans, though they are not above some falsification like any other. Let's see.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846854472779067436

In the statement made by the Ministry of National Defense, it was emphasized that no conditions were put forward in the "technical talks" for the EF.

 

[Zoth]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846854472779067436

In the statement made by the Ministry of National Defense, it was emphasized that no conditions were put forward in the "technical talks" for the EF.

Germany will eventually have to give in, it already pissed off all the consortium members, due to their blockage of sales for no reason. Hence the reason they don't want to include Germany in any joint production stuff anymore. Consortium wants to keep the EF production line alive and we are the only customer left for that. And if everything goes well, we might even get more EFs so it's really a win/win situation for both sides.

So no, no conditions will be accepted, unless Germany wants to sever it's ties with other consortium members even more. It will have to eventually give in.

 

[Sanchez]

"On the other hand, the Turkish Air Force will also gain ramjet-propelled METEOR air-to-air missile capability with the Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft. Good news is expected to come in a few days regarding the Eurofighter Typoon procurement. If the source code supply required for the integration of national missile and sensor systems (for the Tranche 3+ Block 7 version, which is also in the QEAF(Qatari) inventory) is possible as requested, we will be able to see GÖKHAN on the Eurofighter Typhoon as well..."

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I don't think France would okay selling Meteor AAM to Turkey, but let's see.

 

[somegoodusername]

"On the other hand, the Turkish Air Force will also gain ramjet-propelled METEOR air-to-air missile capability with the Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft. Good news is expected to come in a few days regarding the Eurofighter Typoon procurement. If the source code supply required for the integration of national missile and sensor systems (for the Tranche 3+ Block 7 version, which is also in the QEAF(Qatari) inventory) is possible as requested, we will be able to see GÖKHAN on the Eurofighter Typhoon as well..."

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I don't think France would okay selling Meteor AAM to Turkey, but let's see.

Maybe the UK can produce the entire missile on its own, and their contract doesn’t require France’s agreement for exports? How does the METEOR partnership work? I feel like the UK desires the freedom to export their defense products without needing approval from third parties. Perhaps they structured the METEOR agreement that way.

İbrahim Sünnetçi is not type of of the guy that makes baseless claims.

 

[Afif]

"On the other hand, the Turkish Air Force will also gain ramjet-propelled METEOR air-to-air missile capability with the Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft. Good news is expected to come in a few days regarding the Eurofighter Typoon procurement. If the source code supply required for the integration of national missile and sensor systems (for the Tranche 3+ Block 7 version, which is also in the QEAF(Qatari) inventory) is possible as requested, we will be able to see GÖKHAN on the Eurofighter Typhoon as well..."

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I don't think France would okay selling Meteor AAM to Turkey, but let's see.

So, there is a chance that, a batch of 12 EF2000 tranch 3+ fresh from the assembly line (meant for Qatar) could be diverted to Türkiye?

 

[Sanchez]

So, there is a chance that, a batch of 12 EF2000 tranch 3+ fresh from the assembly line (meant for Qatar) could be diverted to Türkiye?

That have been the talk for the last week. Not clear if it will happen or sides agreed to it tho. It's getting tiresome to follow the tidbits.

 

[somegoodusername]

So, there is a chance that, a batch of 12 EF2000 tranch 3+ fresh from the assembly line (meant for Qatar) could be diverted to Türkiye?

I highly doubt Qatar will give up their planes and delay further procurement for years. Contrary to the propaganda, Qatar is not our ally. They buy defense products from us, they buy our defense companies, and they buy protection from the Turkish military. This is a transactional relationship, not an alliance. They are also training with the Greek Air Force, whose main job description is attacking Turkey.

 

[UkroTurk]

“The Germans have made it clear that Berlin’s hands are tied because of domestic opposition to any arms sales to Turkey, beyond its naval needs,” he added.

“A bureaucratic maneuver to delay the Eurofighter sale”

Germany formally began technical talks with Ankara earlier this week over the potential sale of up to 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets worth $5.6 billion.

But the source said the move was simply a bureaucratic maneuver to delay the sale as much as possible.

“It’s like referring issues to subcommittees where you know there will be no progress,” a second source added. “A sale would be possible with a written guarantee


Source: haber.aero

Almanya Eurofighter ve Altay tankı için garanti istiyor

Berlin, Türkiye'ye donanma silahları tedarik edecek, ancak Eurofighter ve Altay tankı parçaları satışı için garanti istediği iddia edildi. Middle East

www.haber.aero

 

[boredaf]

“The Germans have made it clear that Berlin’s hands are tied because of domestic opposition to any arms sales to Turkey, beyond its naval needs,” he added.

“A bureaucratic maneuver to delay the Eurofighter sale”

Germany formally began technical talks with Ankara earlier this week over the potential sale of up to 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets worth $5.6 billion.

But the source said the move was simply a bureaucratic maneuver to delay the sale as much as possible.

“It’s like referring issues to subcommittees where you know there will be no progress,” a second source added. “A sale would be possible with a written guarantee


Source: haber.aero

Almanya Eurofighter ve Altay tankı için garanti istiyor

Berlin, Türkiye'ye donanma silahları tedarik edecek, ancak Eurofighter ve Altay tankı parçaları satışı için garanti istediği iddia edildi. Middle East

www.haber.aero

This is just repeating the earlier report from Middle East Eye and right after it, dated today, is the refusal from MSB.

 

[boredaf]

which has drawn criticism from parties such as the Left and the BSW due to human rights violations in Turkey.

Which is hilarious since they stopped blocking the sale to Saudi fucking Arabia lmao

 

[Chocopie]

Which is hilarious since they stopped blocking the sale to Saudi fucking Arabia lmao

Ssis is Jörman logic, mate. Ssis is the art of just virtue signaling while selling overpriced shit to obscenely rich Arabs and denying any greedy motives. Prost

 

[somegoodusername]

Imagine we agree to buy Eurofighters, pay a few billion dollars in advance, and just like with our F-35s, they don’t deliver the planes and keep the money.

 

[Azeri441]

“The Germans have made it clear that Berlin’s hands are tied because of domestic opposition to any arms sales to Turkey, beyond its naval needs,” he added.

“A bureaucratic maneuver to delay the Eurofighter sale”

Germany formally began technical talks with Ankara earlier this week over the potential sale of up to 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets worth $5.6 billion.

But the source said the move was simply a bureaucratic maneuver to delay the sale as much as possible.

“It’s like referring issues to subcommittees where you know there will be no progress,” a second source added. “A sale would be possible with a written guarantee


Source: haber.aero

Almanya Eurofighter ve Altay tankı için garanti istiyor

Berlin, Türkiye'ye donanma silahları tedarik edecek, ancak Eurofighter ve Altay tankı parçaları satışı için garanti istediği iddia edildi. Middle East

www.haber.aero

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

 

[uçuyorum]

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

We could have also gotten 100+ F35 for free if we didn't buy S400

 

[Trakya_forever]

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

F16 package will be 8-12 billion USD.

 

[boredaf]

23 billion for F-16s

We are NOT getting just F-16s for that price. If we indeed buy that whole package we are getting jets, upgrade kits, engines, missiles, EW suites, spare parts and other miscellaneous stuff. There is a good chance we will not buy everything we asked for, but even if do, we would be buying stuff that air force needs to continue properly using their existing F-16s, on top of the new jets.

 

[chngr]

We are NOT getting just F-16s for that price. If we indeed buy that whole package we are getting jets, upgrade kits, engines, missiles, EW suites, spare parts and other miscellaneous stuff. There is a good chance we will not buy everything we asked for, but even if do, we would be buying stuff that air force needs to continue properly using their existing F-16s, on top of the new jets.

We will most likely buy every equipment we asked(maybe not logistic support stuffs) for but it will not cost 23 billion....more likely 10-12 billion $

 

[UkroTurk]

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

Old debate that is unnecessary.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Re: 40 x F16V70 planes, 79 V70 upgrade kits for 23 billion dollars purchase package

Türkiye – F-16 Aircraft Acquisition and Modernization | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

We have one member thinking it is going to cost us 8-12 billion, another member thinking 10-12 billion.

There is a page full of equipment that are listed there. Also ammunition, integration cost of that ammunition, technical know how and other miscellaneous stuff that only the Turkish airforce know about.

In order to even guess how much of that we will buy and how much that will cost, one needs to be a member of the team that is negotiating with the US and the equipment manufacturers.

We are crying out because they are sitting on our 1.2-1.4 billion dollars. Then the margins of error of our members’ guesstimates are double or triple that amount.

If any guesstimates are to be made it has to come from concrete basis and with knowledge of what our airforce really needs.

Greece and Taiwan are upgrading their F16 fleets to V70. We can draw similarities and analogies as to what the cost ”may be”.

Again Taiwan and a number of other countries are purchasing F16V70 planes. We can do the same and draw similarities.

At 63 million a piece naked according to open sources, the F16 planes are 2.4 billion dollars. Greece paid 2.4 billion for 123 upgrade kits.

But it has to be remembered that each country’s needs and demands are different and the level of equipment and weapons will vary.

At this stage, all we are privy to is that ; there is a 23 billion dollar package from which we will pick and choose what we want.

Government of Greece – Upgrade of F-16 Aircraft to F-16 Block V Configuration | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil