TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Quasar]

The first flight of the aircraft equipped with mission equipment in the HAVA-SOJ project is coming soon

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1845767292296003994

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1685394034859147264

What is the chance that we cooperate on the KC-390 with Embraer within this agreement? I think this will be a good option for a future replacement of our C-130s. I just saw that they are also making a tanker version for it.

I remember that in the past there was going to be a cooperation agreement between TUSAS and Embraer, but TUSAS scrapped it as they didn't see the future potential of Embraer at the time. Maybe it is time for a second chance?

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1685394034859147264

What is the chance that we cooperate on the KC-390 with Embraer within this agreement? I think this will be a good option for a future replacement of our C-130s. I just saw that they are also making a tanker version for it.

I remember that in the past there was going to be a cooperation agreement between TUSAS and Embraer, but TUSAS scrapped it as they didn't see the future potential of Embraer at the time. Maybe it is time for a second chance?

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kicking Israel out of South America.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1685394034859147264

What is the chance that we cooperate on the KC-390 with Embraer within this agreement? I think this will be a good option for a future replacement of our C-130s. I just saw that they are also making a tanker version for it.

I remember that in the past there was going to be a cooperation agreement between TUSAS and Embraer, but TUSAS scrapped it as they didn't see the future potential of Embraer at the time. Maybe it is time for a second chance?

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I swear I was thinking about the chances of us being interest in this bird just yesterday. I feel like air force might want to keep the logistics simple and continue on with the LM and Airbus planes, but it looks like a really good alternative.

Imagine if we could get a production line going here, that would bloody amazing.

 

[Sanchez]

With the mentioned C-130J purchase and extra A400 order, I don't think air force would be interested in a similar sized aircraft. We absolutely will need a CN-235 replacement in the next decade however.

 

[Fairon]

I wonder what is included in the deal.

Joint-developement of AWACS and maritime patrol aircraft based on C390 or E-Jet2 series might be interesting.( Yes E290 is not as capable as B737 but might just capable enough)

Also slowly replacing C130s with C390's that we can modify as we want sounds tempting.( If that can be included in the deals)

 

[Saithan]

I think it's important to balance things. While atm we are heavily relient on LM and Airbus I think the CN235 was a nice little niche that could allow us to cooperate more with Spain/Indonesia.

I do not think we should reduce our cooperation on CN235 or better/newer platforms. Especially not if we're expecting customers for KAAN and anything else we want to sell.

Just as I expect LM and Airbus are using our production capability to civil aviation as a give-and-take moving too much to a different platform might mean they'll move/shift production elsewhere.

But we need to somehow break the ice and having a small, but reliable start is important. Let's not put all our eggs in one basket

 

[dBSPL]

I honestly don't think that the Air Force will be satisfied with such limited capacity in the tactical air cargo fleet in the next generation after 235s. There may be a joint development with a country or there may be an under-license production, but as a precedent, I believe that C-27J can be considered as a lowest limit. With the C27J as an example, you can fly close to 5000km with 5 tons of payload, while with CN235s you can fly around of 1000km.

 

[Sanchez]

I honestly don't think that the Air Force will be satisfied with such limited capacity in the tactical air cargo fleet in the next generation after 235s. There may be a joint development with a country or there may be an under-license production, but as a precedent, I believe that C-27J can be considered as a lowest limit. With the C27J as an example, you can fly close to 5000km with 5 tons of payload, while with CN235s you can fly around of 1000km.

Air Force already had a plan 6-7 years ago for a larger aircraft, Genel Maksat Uçağı(GMU) program to acquire 6 CN-295 and C-27J were both supposed to be participants but program was cancelled I believe.

I always liked the CN-235. We got them to basically replace DC-3s. We have nearly 50 in service in the air force alone. They proved to be real work horses for any transport missions between bases over the last 3 decades. Suffice to say we probably outgrew them at this point.

 

[dBSPL]

Air Force already had a plan 6-7 years ago for a larger aircraft, Genel Maksat Uçağı(GMU) program to acquire 6 CN-295 and C-27J were both supposed to be participants but program was cancelled I believe.

I always liked the CN-235. We got them to basically replace DC-3s. We have nearly 50 in service in the air force alone. They proved to be real work horses for any transport missions between bases over the last 3 decades. Suffice to say we probably outgrew them at this point.

I have the same emotional attachment to the CN-235. However, when I think about some of the logistics lines that the air force needs to fly non-stop and without resupply today and in the next 50 years, I draw a rough ruler and realize that the smallest aircraft currently in service that can fly these distances with a load of 4-5 tons are C27Js. If we don't include most far bases like Mogadishu, 295s are also sufficient. In short, I think we will moving towards a more medium class in the tactical fleet because in his way fleet can cover also small payload on long distances. I hope that these aircraft will be produced domestically too.

 

[Saithan]

Isn't it fine to have a variety, as long as it sustains and expands our knowledge and maintenance capabilities ? the C-295 could be a nice addition as it should be fairly similar to CN235

CN235 & C295 - Aircraft Recognition Guide

Learn to recognise the versions of the CN-235 and C-295, and distinguish them from the G222/C-27J, C-123 Provider, HESA Simorgh, Transall C-160 and An-26/An-32.

www.aircraftrecognitionguide.com

 

[Ştutgart]

Roketsan Burç air defense system

 

[boredaf]

“Germany wants a written guarantee from Turkey that its Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes will not be used in the Aegean.”

— MEE

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846545583126827206

No.

Best we could do is a pinky promise. Also, they'll change this position as well, imo, they already came from refusing outright to dragging their feet while sulking and asking for this. They need this sale almost as much as we need this purchase.

 

[chngr]

Best we could do is a pinky promise. Also, they'll change this position as well, imo, they already came from refusing outright to dragging their feet while sulking and asking for this. They need this sale almost as much as we need this purchase.

You will still rely on spare parts from Germany...Germany is unreliable partner

 

[Zafer]

Germany wants written guaranties from Türkiye about not using the Eurofighter over the Aegean.

We don't need them anyway.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846545583126827206

 

[boredaf]

You will still rely on spare parts from Germany...Germany is unreliable partner

Purchase would naturally include some spare parts, kind we would/might need in short term and that is more than enough. We won't have to rely on Eurofighters for decades like we have been doing with F-16s. We just have to make sure deliveries are done without a problem, which Italy and UK would also want (and clearly they've been pushing on our behalf) and that is all we need.

 

[Oublious]

“Germany wants a written guarantee from Turkey that its Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes will not be used in the Aegean.”

— MEE

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846545583126827206

No.

Looks like fake news, i did search it but ther is nothing about writing about gurantee.

 

[boredaf]

Looks like fake news, i did search it but ther is nothing about writing about gurantee.

The source of their news is Middle East Eye, there is nothing anywhere else as far as I can tell and others are just quoting them.

 

[Sanchez]

Off topic posts removed.

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"Ministry of National Defense sources said the following about the Eurofighter and F-16 procurement:


Regarding the procurement of F-16s, a contract was signed in recent months, a timetable has been set and the process is proceeding as planned.

As for the procurement of the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, work at the technical level continues. These studies are being carried out in order to speed up the process. No conditions have been raised in these studies."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846841003115700499

Well, this is certainly news to me. Unless the source or M5 mistook the quote, F-16 deal is signed already(?)

Per EF-2000, any possible conditions wouldn't be discussed in the technical level talks but political. Nonetheless, good news there as well.

 

[Saithan]

Something that big would not be missed by defense sector people.

I think the ministry of defense blah blah is blowing smoke up our arses or what is more likely they're talking past each other.

That said I really like the Burc every base outpost should have one or two of these with the deployed troops.