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[Saithan]

T. Kotil was clear about that. I will trust more in his words.

Remind us, where is he now ?

 

[Zoth]

T. Kotil was clear about that. I will trust more in his words.

The planned production rate of Kaan is 2 per month in a scenario where there is no production issues, so assuming that everything goes well: we can build 24 Kaans per year which adds up to 240 in 10 years, that's already enough spreading of production.

In my opinion, it's really early to talk about how many Kaans we are going to produce when we are still lacking the most important part of a jet fighter, the engine.
The engine, the radar and many other important avionics of Kaan hasn't even entered into serial production, let's fix those first then we can talk about how many Kaans we should build.

We are trying to run while we can't even knee walk yet. My humble and totally amateur opinion is still the same since many years, we should've focus on Hurjet, make an engine for it, and with the experience we learned from it make a damn engine for Kaan. Hurjet's success potential is much bigger when we think about short time solutions.

 

[Saithan]

Hence I think it's more important to semi-serial produce Hürjet as soon as possible if trainer (unarmed) version is accepted, then we should start with that, and as many as possible. Especially if it's relatively safe to change it to lightarmed version afterwards (if it becomes absolutely necessary in case of war).

 

[Zoth]

Hence I think it's more important to semi-serial produce Hürjet as soon as possible if trainer (unarmed) version is accepted, then we should start with that, and as many as possible. Especially if it's relatively safe to change it to lightarmed version afterwards (if it becomes absolutely necessary in case of war).

This, this, this, and 100 times this. But we don't even have a damn domestic engine project for it, i don't know at this rate, is it me who overvalues Hurjet or they undervalue it? Maybe due to Kizilelma they don't think that Hurjet is important, i don't really know.

 

[TheInsider]

The Turkish Air Force will acquire 240 Kaans between 2028 and 2040. By 2040, the Turkish Air Force's fighter fleet will consist of 40 Eurofighters, 120 F16s, and 240 Kaans.

This is the plan. The requirement is 240 Kaans after Turkiye is kicked out of the F-35 program. Will there be any delays? Likely but your guess is as good as mine. Turkish Air Force wants a fleet of 400 fighters with a 2/3 ratio of 4.5th and 5th/5.5th gen fighters. You make plans and you want to execute it as well as possible but in the end, Turkiye will produce 240 fighters for its own needs.

 

[Saithan]

I believe it's easier for us to buy trainer jet engine from US (getting Senate permission) than buying for an armed Hürjet.

So the resistance and argument and counterarguments will be extremely reduced. But I do not believe that is going to be the case when we present to the world our light armed Hürjet.

So by ordering the engine for trainer jet (while no armed version of it exists) we don't give those in the Senate ammunition to refuse us the sale and those who are more pro Türkey can much easier get through with the sale.

What we must avoid is. We must under no circumstance transform a trainer jet to lightarmed combat jet because they'll cut the export and say we don't stick to our promise bla bla bla. hopefully we should have 90+ trainers built before trying to get a deal for armed hürjet.

If they refuse we can transform the trainer jet to combat jet.

 

[hugh]

I believe it's easier for us to buy trainer jet engine from US (getting Senate permission) than buying for an armed Hürjet.

So the resistance and argument and counterarguments will be extremely reduced. But I do not believe that is going to be the case when we present to the world our light armed Hürjet.

So by ordering the engine for trainer jet (while no armed version of it exists) we don't give those in the Senate ammunition to refuse us the sale and those who are more pro Türkey can much easier get through with the sale.

What we must avoid is. We must under no circumstance transform a trainer jet to lightarmed combat jet because they'll cut the export and say we don't stick to our promise bla bla bla. hopefully we should have 90+ trainers built before trying to get a deal for armed hürjet.

If they refuse we can transform the trainer jet to combat jet.

If they don't provide engines for LCA Hürjet, then we'd be in deep trouble as there's no way we could acquire F110s for KAAN.

 

[UkroTurk]

Trump was the who sanctioned F-35 deal however democrats were okay with f-16 viper purchase.

Trump didn't listen national security advisors more than 5 minutes in daily briefings of white house. Since he is mad he could do everything. Unpredictable.

 

[Rooxbar]

Trump was the who sanctioned F-35 deal however democrats were okay with f-16 viper purchase.

Trump didn't listen national security advisors more than 5 minutes in daily briefings of white house. Since he is mad he could do everything. Unpredictable.

Although his appointees are extreme people, that has more to do with the pool of available people from the gop. There are no non-crazy person in the gop wrt issues concerning mid-east and us. The silver lining is Trump is seemingly going for the people among the crazies who are sycophants, so they will probably be more clerical rather than independent although the general political culture there is mostly "israel first" as they say, so it will be very hard for Trump or Vance to go against that even if they want to. I don't think the F110s will be a problem as Israelis and the think tanks close to them haven't really made any fusses about it in the past years, unless their plan is to wait and see if the project succeeds and what the specifications and achievements will be in that regard, and make us depend on the engines in the meanwhile, to be able to sabotage in later stages.