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[BaburKhan]

MARLIN AUSV to Be Delivered to Turkish Navy | TURDEF

MARLIN AUSV, jointly developed by ASELSAN and SEFİNE, will be delivered to the Turkish Navy in the following months.

www.turdef.com

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735318205684412466

NTPB seems to do well in an adverse weather, and rockets arrive in the defined zone precisely despite of the roll motion of the boat.
The rest of the video should be (being cynical) historical tribute to TCG Sarucabey landing/mine laying ship that may soon go out of the service.

 

[Anmdt]

New Generation National Heavy Torpedo AKYA to be launched with live warhead for the first time on 26 December!

During the weekly press briefing on the activities of the Ministry of National Defence held today, Rear Admiral Zeki AKTÜRK, Press and Public Relations Advisor, announced that the New Generation National Heavy Torpedo AKYA will be launched from the TCG Preveze submarine in the Gulf of Antalya on 26 December 2023.

The launch is expected to be the first time the AKYA torpedo with a live warhead will be launched from the TCG Preveze submarine to a previously decommissioned ship. (SINKEX)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737804036575797306

The first SINKEX with the indigenous HWT Akya will take place on 28 December with the participation of TCG Preveze (upgraded with MÜREN SYS) in the Gulf of Antalya.

Can't wait to see it.

 

[Sanchez]

I wonder what will the target be. This is really the first live warhead exercise of Akya? Time indeed flew past. First test fire was 10 years ago.

 

[Afif]

I dont know where to post it so i post here at geopolitics Globalfirepower 2024 and Turkiye is 8th place
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This is totally stupid. France is 11th? Give me a break. They have SSNs and CSG.

6x SSN can be sent on other side of the globe against a country (that doesn't have SSNs of its own, no matter how much tanks or fighter jets it has) and these boats can implement a total naval blockade for months, leading to a near collapse of the enemy's economy, hence likely ensuring defeat and achieving strategic objectives without significant bloodshed)

That is what real power looks like.

And this is exactly why I have been Advocating for SSN fleet for Turkish Navy instead of carriers.

With carrier, it's job is either to fight the enemy surface fleet or fight enemy's air force and provide air support for the friendly ground units.

However, when it comes to fighting enemy surface fleet or implementation of a blockade, a small fleet of SSN is more efficient, and easier to sustain than a CSG.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

This is totally stupid. France is 11th? Give me a break. They have SSNs and CSG.

6x SSN can be sent on other side of the globe against a country (that doesn't have SSNs of its own, no matter how much tanks or fighter jets it has) and these boats can implement a total naval blockade for months, leading to a near collapse of the enemy's economy, hence likely ensuring defeat and achieving strategic objectives without significant bloodshed)

That is what real power looks like.

And this is exactly why I have been Advocating for SSN fleet for Turkish Navy instead of carriers.

Ssn or Csg still are submarines with humans inside not super alien tech weapon and can e demaged or humans needs to be replaced and needs to eat . thats work for weak countries but with Turkiye tech or german, japan , S Korea those Ssng or Cgnc will sooner or later destroyed and there are just 6 of them not 60 . German had 200+ submarines and didnt implement total naval blockade , During massive war the quantity is over quality eveytime just like ww2 where German weapons were alot more advaced than soviets and americans .But didnt stop 100 000+ Tanks And 7 million+ soldiers

 

[Afif]

Ssn or Csg still are submarines with humans inside not super alien tech weapon and can e demaged or humans needs to be replaced and needs to eat . thats work for weak countries but with Turkiye tech or german, japan , S Korea those Ssng or Cgnc will sooner or later destroyed and there are just 6 of them not 60 . German had 200+ submarines and didnt implement total naval blockade , During massive war the quantity is over quality eveytime just like ww2 where German weapons were alot more advaced than soviets and americans .But didnt stop 100 000+ Tanks And 7 million+ soldiers

Western SSN can stay operational in the designated area for up to 6 months during wartime. And Soviet/Russian designed some of their boats to stay submerged for up to 1 year.

And unlike WW2 german submarines or today's diesel electric submarines, SSN is powered by Nulcear reactor. Hence, it can maintain submerged high speed without any time limits. Thus, it can choose to avoid or outmaneuver naval ships easily and only engage commercial ships. (Which is good enough for implementation of the blockade)

And except USN, no other navy in the world can conduct sufficient ASW operation in the open ocean to effectively counter a SSN fleet. Speically when they actively avoiding naval engagement, staying hidden and only choosing to attack commercial ships.

And today's most modern navies have too few ships to sufficiently protect their commercial shipping from such scenario.

 

[Strong AI]

An article about ULAQ KAMA, but only in turkish language.

EDIT: Added translated version (Google)

• Technological Trends
• Defense Planning Concept
• Operational Planning Concept
• Use of ULAQ KAMA in Naval Operations

"An old incident comes to mind where an advanced version of the German Zobel Class, serving as the Kartal Class in the Turkish Naval Forces, which is a torpedo attack boat, came as close as 50 yards to an Arleigh Burke Class destroyer equipped with highly advanced sensor and weapon systems during an exercise, and the boat was not noticed by the destroyer until it lit its flares."

Reading this the first time. Looks like ULAQ KAMA will be deadly dangerous.

 

[UkroTurk]

Do TCG Anadolu, Barbaros class, Gabya class and ADA Class need such launchers loaded with quad packed Sipers/Hisar? Or Levent would be enough?


No deck penetration
Rapid reload
Seems cheaper solution.

 

[uçuyorum]

Do TCG Anadolu, Barbaros class, Gabya class and ADA Class need such launchers loaded with quad packed Sipers/Hisar? Or Levent would be enough?


No deck penetration
Rapid reload
Seems cheaper solution.
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Our ships are kinda narrow, we don't have that much space around the deck, otherwise yeah it's a nice solution.

 

[UkroTurk]

Our ships are kinda narrow, we don't have that much space around the deck, otherwise yeah it's a nice solution.

When you have desire, you could always find a place.
There are enough place on our ships for 2x 2 cell launchers. 4x4 : 16 quad packed SİPERS or Hisar O+RF

Narrow USV with those launchers

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Any news about new 4 Istanbul class when and where will they get build?
Will Navy wait to finish 3 Istanbull that are U/C or other shipwards will start building 4 news I-class ?

 

[Strong AI]

Now they are referring to SAPAN as an AD System, not as a missile.

 

[uçuyorum]

I guess Hisar D RF missile being integrated to Advent and MIDLAS etc. They had to rethink the entire concept and turn it into a new product. Plus it probably needs the datalink and guidance to be adapted to the ship and naval warfare. Maybe it will behave like Aegis automated defence

 

[Anmdt]

Now they are referring to SAPAN as an AD System, not as a missile.

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To navy it is an AD system (like how they call Gökdeniz as Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi but not Yakın Hava Savunma Topu)
To manufacturer and contractor it is AD missile, since they view it as a missile.
With Fire Control System, from TN's perspective it is a "system" not a lone missile.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748661312622661841

Marlin USV has been assigned the pennant number 1101 with the prefix 'TCB', a code typically used for helicopters and UAVs. This suggests that TN views USVs as adjuncts rather than as actual ships. Despite this, the vessel has a flag on board, likely for ceremonial purposes.

 

[Sanchez]

Many countries, chiefly US is using USVs in testing and even creating whole USV task forces under navy command. But a question, Is TCB1011 the first ever officially commissioned USV in a NATO navy? Considering it's not TCG but TCB can we even say "commissioned" ?

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748661312622661841

Marlin USV has been assigned the pennant number 1101 with the prefix 'TCB', a code typically used for helicopters and UAVs. This suggests that TN views USVs as adjuncts rather than as actual ships. Despite this, the vessel has a flag on board, likely for ceremonial purposes.

I know TCG stands for Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Gemisi (Republic of Turkey’s Ship) but what does that “B” stand for?

Many countries, chiefly US is using USVs in testing and even creating whole USV task forces under navy command. But a question, Is TCB1011 the first ever officially commissioned USV in a NATO navy? Considering it's not TCG but TCB can we even say "commissioned" ?

Funny you brought this up.
Recently I’ve seen a short interview for the need of creation of a mutual robotic warfare command.

‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı?

Türkiye için ‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı? Türkiye, halihazırda birçok insansız hava, kara, deniz ve denizaltı projesi yürütüyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Dr. Can Kasapoğlu is a non-resident senior fellow at Hudson Institute
He, in this short interview, points out the necessity for the creation of a mutual robotic warfare domain command.

He breaks down the need in three key areas
1- Military technologies are only successful as long as they are integrated with operational design and military doctrine. Therefore, conceptual work is a must to create a dominant operational design together with technological advancement.

2- MIR, MARLIN and various Turkish SUVs are designed by NATO standards and they’ve already proved themselves at some NATO exercises. Such a mutual command would be more efficient at contributing and operating at joint NATO operations.

3- Such a command would also have to assume the role of reviewing various robotic warfare trends, works and conflicts. All the learned and gathered data would also fall under the authority of this command to act upon accordingly.

 

[Sanchez]

but what does that “B” stand for

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Bahriyesi.

 

[godel44]

I know TCG stands for Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Gemisi (Republic of Turkey’s Ship) but what does that “B” stand for?


Funny you brought this up.
Recently I’ve seen a short interview for the need of creation of a mutual robotic warfare command.

‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı?

Türkiye için ‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı? Türkiye, halihazırda birçok insansız hava, kara, deniz ve denizaltı projesi yürütüyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Dr. Can Kasapoğlu is a non-resident senior fellow at Hudson Institute
He, in this short interview, points out the necessity for the creation of a mutual robotic warfare domain command.

He breaks down the need in three key areas
1- Military technologies are only successful as long as they are integrated with operational design and military doctrine. Therefore, conceptual work is a must to create a dominant operational design together with technological advancement.

2- MIR, MARLIN and various Turkish SUVs are designed by NATO standards and they’ve already proved themselves at some NATO exercises. Such a mutual command would be more efficient at contributing and operating at joint NATO operations.

3- Such a command would also have to assume the role of reviewing various robotic warfare trends, works and conflicts. All the learned and gathered data would also fall under the authority of this command to act upon accordingly.

I disagree with this notion. Taking the command of robotic warfare away from the relevant units into a central command would rather reduce integration than increase it. At the end of the day, unmanned systems are tools that every unit has to learn how to use best in their own context. The military context is what should determine the reason for existence of a command. The UGV that is looking for traps in a cave in North Iraq has little to do with the USV doing MCMW in the Aegean. A central unmanned systems command is like a central firearms command or an internal combustion engines command.