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[Quasar]

modernization of the S-70B SeaHawk helicopters

in brief with in the scope of a contract signed in 2018

- Friend Foe Identification Identification System designed by ASELSAN (IFF Mod 5/S Responder device) critical design activities were completed and mass production has started.

-Integration activities on the prototype platform were started under the responsibility of Microelectronic Guidance and Electro-Optics (MGEO) Sector Presidency.


https://www.c4defence.com/seahawk-h...0XW9RjhhJmTirJD62_I5ti_Qoql2mvyBF-oejDUMAtWcg

https://www.aselsan.com.tr/8bd8d915-3542-4ac9-8981-70b6840580eb.pdf

 

[Anmdt]

Several unmanned underwater systems to be unveiled in this or next year.
One of these are the underwater glider, there will be two at least; one formed for civilian another for military purposes with option to be linked with MPA and UAVs.

 

[Combat-Master]

TCG Istanbul (F-515), the first ship of the İ-class frigates, "Helicopter Capture and Transfer System" contract,
@STMDefence
and
@altinaysavunma
signed between When Canada revoked the export license of the system we constantly import, the product had to be domesticated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444317450389135361

 

[TheInsider]

Another slap on the face of Canada.

 

[Khagan1923]

How to create competition for your own niche product 101.

 

[Nilgiri]

A NATO submarine search and rescue exercise has taken place in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Dynamic Monarch/Kurtaran 2021 focused on utilising various technologies to save sailors stuck on a sunken submarine. The exercise involved assets and personnel from Italy and Turkey together with personnel from Canada, Greece, Spain and the United States. It was organised by the International Submarine Escape and Rescue Liaison Office (ISMERLO) and was tied to the Turkish Navy exercise Kurtaran. It took place from 12 to 24 September off Aksaz, north-eastern Turkey.

The footage includes various shots of the exercise such as divers being lowered into the sea, simulated casualties being rescued from a submarine, plus soundbites from Turkish and Italian participants of the exercise.

 

[yusuf]

defence turkey issue 107
1-4 TB-20 trainer aircraft will be replaced
2-All block 1 seahawk helicopters will be upgraded to block 2,most of them upgraded already
3-there will be similutors for ATR72
4- 4 aksunsur until the the end of2022
5-16 T-129 until the end of 2026
6-2 of CN 235 MPA had havelsan martı sys,so its smaller and lighter than amascos system leads more capability interms of flight hours/mission
7-6 multi role utility helicopter
8-3 airbone early warning helicopter
9-23 medium lift transport helicopter
10-12 new generation naval helicopter
11-By 2028 more than 150 aircraft
12-aselsan CATS for MPA CN 235
13-medium range anti ship missiles for MPA aircrafts
14-temren missile will be IIR and laser seeker two variant
15-helicopter dipping sonar system heloson project started
16-new generation data link sytem made improvement to 300km for UAV
17-remote display terminal transmission capability extented to from 30 to 45km for uav
18-MPA s will be eqoipped with satcom to gain uav control and transfer video to surface ships,and command control center,anka already do that mission via satcom ku bant
19-currently 2-3 UAV 7/24 hours on duty
20-procurement activities are ongoing to gain long range new generation maritime patrol aircraft,elementary and basic train helicopters
21- helicopter obstacle detection system has been installed all AB-212 and S-70 helicopters
22-Dunker simulator on acceptance tests
23-after trakya LHD new generation aircraft carrier is planned
ı am tired ı will continue next time

 

[Saithan]

Turkish defense industry develops CIWS for naval platforms​

BY DAILY SABAH​

ISTANBUL DEFENSE
OCT 07, 2021 3:04 PM GMT+3

Turkish frigates TCG Barbaros and TCG Burgazada conducts maritime training with American destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill in the Eastern Mediterranean, Aug. 26, 2020. (DHA)


Turkish defense industry showcased a prototype of its domestically-produced short-range air defense system which will be used on naval platforms at the International Military Radar and Border Security Summit held in the capital Ankara between Oct. 5-6.

The system was produced by the Machinery and Chemical Industry (MKE AŞ) and is expected to replace the U.S.-made Phalanx Close-in Weapon System (CIWS).

It will provide protection against guided missiles, air-to-surface missiles, cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), planes and helicopters.

The system, whose tests are scheduled to begin at the end of this year, can be placed on any ship with a combat management system. It is expected to enter the inventory by 2023. The next version of the system will be the land version. Unlike the naval version, the land version will use radar instead of the electro-optical system.

It will use a 20 mm rotating barrel weapon system that has a firing capacity of 4,000 rounds per minute and an effective range of 2,000 meters (6,562 feet). The air defense platform, which has a firing rate of 3000-4000 beats per minute, will weigh 3,500 kilograms (7,717 pounds) and have a capacity to carry 1,500 ammunition.

Turkish defense industry develops CIWS for naval platforms

Turkish defense industry showcased a prototype of its domestically-produced short-range air defense system which will be used on naval platforms at the...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Turko]

Turkish defense industry develops CIWS for naval platforms​

BY DAILY SABAH​

ISTANBUL DEFENSE
OCT 07, 2021 3:04 PM GMT+3

Turkish frigates TCG Barbaros and TCG Burgazada conducts maritime training with American destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill in the Eastern Mediterranean, Aug. 26, 2020. (DHA)


Turkish defense industry showcased a prototype of its domestically-produced short-range air defense system which will be used on naval platforms at the International Military Radar and Border Security Summit held in the capital Ankara between Oct. 5-6.

The system was produced by the Machinery and Chemical Industry (MKE AŞ) and is expected to replace the U.S.-made Phalanx Close-in Weapon System (CIWS).

It will provide protection against guided missiles, air-to-surface missiles, cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), planes and helicopters.

The system, whose tests are scheduled to begin at the end of this year, can be placed on any ship with a combat management system. It is expected to enter the inventory by 2023. The next version of the system will be the land version. Unlike the naval version, the land version will use radar instead of the electro-optical system.

It will use a 20 mm rotating barrel weapon system that has a firing capacity of 4,000 rounds per minute and an effective range of 2,000 meters (6,562 feet). The air defense platform, which has a firing rate of 3000-4000 beats per minute, will weigh 3,500 kilograms (7,717 pounds) and have a capacity to carry 1,500 ammunition.

Turkish defense industry develops CIWS for naval platforms

Turkish defense industry showcased a prototype of its domestically-produced short-range air defense system which will be used on naval platforms at the...

www.dailysabah.com

3500kg weight means compact comparing 6-7 tons phalanx.

I think it will have electric auto loader instead of heavy and complicated hydrolic loader.

 

[TheInsider]

Turkish anti-air warfare destroyer project TF-2000 tender phase is starting soon. The first TF-2000 will enter the inventory of the Turkish Navy in 2027. The first steel cut for the destroyer might happen in 2022. It will take a 5 year period from the first steel cut to the full commission of the ship.

 

[Anmdt]

Turkish anti-air warfare destroyer project TF-2000 tender phase is starting soon. The first TF-2000 will enter the inventory of the Turkish Navy in 2027. The first steel cut for the destroyer might happen in 2022. It will take a 5 year period from the first steel cut to the full commission of the ship.

Don't want to break people's hope but the detail design process has not commenced yet and i don't expect a quick tender process based on what i have seen at the design office.

The detail engineering jobs and detail design jobs will be shared among partners by mid of 2022, we might see a steel cutting by end of 2022, keel laying in 1st quarter of 2023 and launching in 3rd quarter of the 2024.

Even DzKK is not keen on delivery by 2027, the spoken dates are end of 2028- by mid of 2029 incluing the full tests.

 

[Huelague]

5 years to build a single ship. WW2 tooks 6 years.

 

[Kartal1]

I see that with our major naval programs we have a problem with the time taken for them to materialize. What is the solution?

 

[Oublious]

5 years to build a single ship. WW2 tooks 6 years.

Well, after that it will go faster. First ship is always a R&D project.

 

[TheInsider]

2 years for building 1.5 years for subsystem installation another 1.5 years for testing. We are building an 8500-tonne state-of-the-art AAW destroyer, not a 500-tonne FAC.

 

[Anmdt]

I see that with our major naval programs we have a problem with the time taken for them to materialize. What is the solution?

Looking at similar ships in the class (Horizon class) will tell us why 5 years is even uber optimistic. Horizon class that is built with an existing expertise, already in use well known systems took 5.5 years.
Type 45 with similar features but extras, yet again with well-known systems took 6 years to build.

On top of that TF-2000 is more than just horizon or type 45 if you look at the capabilities.

Now add the toppings:
First time to be used systems cafrad, new comms, new missiles, nazar, new technique of radar installation (buried on supperstructure), retractable azimuth.

First time working with such large military vessel, cabling and piping job is crazy, it is folds of what is done in tcg anadolu and complex as hell.

Accomodation plan is yet to be completed, housing those many people effectively on such a large ship is a challenging task.

Engineering items to be done is like 50 times of I-Class, detail designing involves ten folds of the complexity that I-Class has.

Even 6 years now sounds very optimistic, 2027 was a viable date if the construction commenced in end of 2019- Q12020.

The sourse of the news is here; not judging them but likely it is based on an article rewritten with existing sources that we know in the forum as well:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450864015232602116

 

[Saithan]

Looking at similar ships in the class (Horizon class) will tell us why 5 years is even uber optimistic. Horizon class that is built with an existing expertise, already in use well known systems took 5.5 years.
Type 45 with similar features but extras, yet again with well-known systems took 6 years to build.

On top of that TF-2000 is more than just horizon or type 45 if you look at the capabilities.

Now add the toppings:
First time to be used systems cafrad, new comms, new missiles, nazar, new technique of radar installation (buried on supperstructure), retractable azimuth.

First time working with such large military vessel, cabling and piping job is crazy, it is folds of what is done in tcg anadolu and complex as hell.

Accomodation plan is yet to be completed, housing those many people effectively on such a large ship is a challenging task.

Engineering items to be done is like 50 times of I-Class, detail designing involves ten folds of the complexity that I-Class has.

Even 6 years now sounds very optimistic, 2027 was a viable date if the construction commenced in end of 2019- Q12020.

The sourse of the news is here; not judging them but likely it is based on an article rewritten with existing sources that we know in the forum as well:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450864015232602116

I was under the impression that most if not all of those toppings would be tested on Ada and Istanbul class. Granted we still don't have delivered an I-class to TN.

I just hope that the we'll hear good news about more Ada class and the laying of keel.

 

[Anmdt]

I was under the impression that most if not all of those toppings would be tested on Ada and Istanbul class. Granted we still don't have delivered an I-class to TN.

I just hope that the we'll hear good news about more Ada class and the laying of keel.

There is a dire need for a dedicated testing ship since 2015 (even before), explicitly required by DzKK and company, yet i doubt if the budget was ever granted.
The need was one, now because there isnt even the one, we need two of them to catch up with the schedule.

 

[Saithan]

There is a dire need for a dedicated testing ship since 2015 (even before), explicitly required by DzKK and company, yet i doubt if the budget was ever granted.
The need was one, now because there isnt even the one, we need two of them to catch up with the schedule.

Wouldn't one or two Ada class not be sufficient to test some of the systems. Any sensor system and such should already be on UFUK and being tested.

 

[Anmdt]

Wouldn't one or two Ada class not be sufficient to test some of the systems. Any sensor system and such should already be on UFUK and being tested.

Ufuk can be used on testing of some systems but there is a need for more comprehensive vessel in catamaran or swath form to test torpedoes, torpedo seekers, with a large foundation for alternative radars, large deck to store missiles with ease to install VLS and test missiles without relying on navy and full integration into the hulls merely for test purpose, with a crane on deck with A frame to deploy towed or hull mounted sonars for the test from the sides.

Such a vessel also needs top 35+ knots speed, costs less in maintenance as well has dedicated labs - offices to fix tested equipment on the cruise.

Using navy's active ships also affects their schedule, sometimes they need to be docked for preparations.