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If it was bought by Navy that would definitely deserve to be in this thread.
Morelikey bought by a shipyard to scrap, bet goes on to izmir/Aliaga.
Actually the source is right the ship could be equipped with some electronics to assist aerial operations (like approach radar, comms etc) and can be used as shore based training facility to conduct landing/take off for multiple aircrafts or to train amphibious teams.
Such a platform can be easily built by some shipyards as well (would cost somewhere between 50m to 100m), since it won't be a full feature aircraft carrier but an exercise platform to rest in shore or propel at open seas for practise, no need to rely on a steel junk.
Do you not think that everyone is overlooking the conditions of sale of these ships to the scrapyard?
If memory serves right, there is a clause in the sales conditions, that these ships can only be used for scrapping.
Recommissioning or re using them for military is absolutely forbidden.
Aliaga shipyards are world famous for scrapping oversized ships. If they sell on any of these ships or try to use them there will be heavy penalties and they will lose their business.
As far as I remember, they could sell on the spare parts and engines as spare or scrap. But not the whole ship. But in certain cases , even the critical spare parts are not allowed to be sold on. Like the old UK LHD and carriers this shipyard has dismantled.
 

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Do you not think that everyone is overlooking the conditions of sale of these ships to the scrapyard?
If memory serves right, there is a clause in the sales conditions, that these ships can only be used for scrapping.
Recommissioning or re using them for military is absolutely forbidden.
Aliaga shipyards are world famous for scrapping oversized ships. If they sell on any of these ships or try to use them there will be heavy penalties and they will lose their business.
As far as I remember, they could sell on the spare parts and engines as spare or scrap. But not the whole ship. But in certain cases , even the critical spare parts are not allowed to be sold on. Like the old UK LHD and carriers this shipyard has dismantled.
Yes but the point is some contract can be made between two states to re-purpose the ship. Again, less-likely because the ship was also transferred to them with some conditions so the authority would be on the original owner, France.
Note the ship was undergone some incidents and been under repair, waiting to be overhauled for a long time, eventually signed off and being scrapped.
Also, she is already at the end of her economical or sustainable life, even surpassed it long time ago so i came up with the second offer, it suits better to construct a training vessel instead of spending money to make her half alive half operating.
 

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Shopping?
I wonder!?. I think we are showing a carrot to pull RR and BAE further in, to hasten the finishing of TFX.
Probably beneath the lines it reads:
“We would like to use your expertise to build our new Carrier, like the BAE example with TFX. But in the meantime, now give us more technical help an cooperation in building our TFX and it’s engine”
Another point is the interest the UK has shown in UAV’s. It would be much cheaper for them to develop and build their UAV’s in cooperation with Tusas And TAI.
All conjecture! But could be?
 

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I wonder!?. I think we are showing a carrot to pull RR and BAE further in, to hasten the finishing of TFX.
Probably beneath the lines it reads:
“We would like to use your expertise to build our new Carrier, like the BAE example with TFX. But in the meantime, now give us more technical help an cooperation in building our TFX and it’s engine”
Another point is the interest the UK has shown in UAV’s. It would be much cheaper for them to develop and build their UAV’s in cooperation with Tusas And TAI.
All conjecture! But could be?

The prospect of involving the UK in more projects will surely be enticing for the UK as they have put many things up on sale after the Brexit and in the pandemic. We should take this opportunity to utilize their expertise in a similar manner as we can do with Ukraine. TFX and its engine and a possible involvement in the Tempest can be foreseen.

Although I hate it when our engineers want rely on foreign expertise in many things they do it also hedges our projects from failing miserably which can take a bigger toll than paying a few hundred million extra cash.

UK buying Turkish expertise in UAV development would give a boost to our efforts at any level.
A loaded agenda to behold really.
 

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ASFAT is developing swimming pool for submarines.
 

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Training preparations continue for TCG Anadolu to be joined in the inventory. Landing ships, Amphibious Marine Infantry Brigade and Land Forces helicopters carried out joint training within the scope of the Amphibious Task Group Command Operation Preparation Trainings.

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This summer, the ITU Cavistation tunnel will be completed and commissioned. The facility is expected to make the top 10 in the world. Comprehensive performance, noise and flow imaging of platforms and civilian watercraft that are critical to the defense industry, such as torpedoes, submarines, warships, unmanned vehicles, will be performed at the facility.
 

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Behold The Turkish Navy’s Drone Aircraft Carrier

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Turkish industry appears to have figured out an effective way of launching fixed-wing drones from ships.

The brute-simple method, which combines a winch-and-pulley system with a bow ramp, could help the Turkish navy transform its new assault ship Anadolu into the world’s first true drone aircraft carrier.

The arrangement also should allow for Anadolu to embark and launch manned planes, although it’s unlikely Turkey can develop a carrier plane that can take off from Anadolu’s 761-foot deck while also carrying a useful load of fuel and weapons.

Haluk Bayraktar, the chief executive of Turkish drone-maker Baykar, revealed the new launch system during an online event last week. Artwork Bayraktar posted during his presentation depicts Baykar TB-2/3 drones on Anadolu’s deck.

A winch and pulley are visible on the vessel’s centerline. The cable runs along the bow ramp to a spot on the deck where the TB-2/3 is ready to launch. The winch presumably would drag the drone across the deck and up the ramp.

That, combined with the thrust of the 21-foot-long TB-2/3’s 100-horsepower engine, could get the propeller-driven drone airborne with most or all of its 300-pound payload.

The launch system is elegant in its simplicity. While it clearly has limitations, it could help the Turkish navy become the world’s first operator of an aviation ship with a majority drone air wing. The winch-and-ramp combo might not be able to launch drones much heavier than a TB-2/3 unless the drone itself packs more horsepower.

But one clear advantage of the system is that it doesn’t obstruct the deck like some alternative drone-launch gear might do. Navies have been launching fixed-wing reconnaissance and target drones from carriers and other big-deck ships since at least the 1960s. But those unmanned aerial vehicles usually took off by firing rocket boosters while cradled in a gantry.

The U.S. Navy in the 1960s came close to integrating rocket-boosted, jet-powered Model 147 reconnaissance drones aboard its carriers. But combat trials aboard the USS Ranger off of Vietnam in 1969 and ‘70 were disappointing to drone advocates.

Space was limited and the gantry was bulky. The Model 147 crew had to deploy a drone after Ranger launched a strike package then recover the drone before the package returned, leaving no room for error.

The Navy gave up on adding drones into its carrier wings. It wasn’t until more than 40 years later that the service came back to the idea. But the U.S. fleet, in contrast to the Turkish fleet, plans to launch its new carrier-compatible MQ-25 tanker drones via the same steam catapults that launch manned planes.

Anadolu, like most of the world’s aviation ships, lacks catapults. A winch-and-ramp launch method is an expedient—one that’s necessary only because Turkey got itself kicked out of the U.S.-led Joint Strike Fighter program, which was supposed to supply Ankara’s fleet with F-35B stealth jump jets that Lockheed Martin LMT designed specifically to fly from ships like Anadolu.

With just a few modifications, Anadolu could embark a useful air wing made up of TB-2/3 drones and helicopters. Yes, the vessel would lack an embarked air-to-air fighter. But the TB-2/3 drone with its sophisticated sensors, long loiter time and small, precise munitions is a proven surveillance and strike platform.

During the brief, bloody war between Armenia and Azerbaijan last fall, Azerbaijan’s TB-2s and other drones destroyed hundreds of Armenian tanks, fighting vehicles, artillery pieces and air-defense systems. Imagine the same kind of robotic air campaign, but projecting from a mobile platform at sea.

Turkish industry has considered developing a light manned fighter that might also be compatible with Anadolu. But if China and Russia’s own experiences with ramp-launched manned fighters is any indication, the Turkish jet might suffer crippling performance limitations while operating from a short carrier lacking catapults.

Drones—and a simple method for launching them—probably are the way to go. Anadolu is in the final stages of construction and could join the fleet in 2022.

 
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Although many talking about air drones, there will be sea drones (Ulaq), underwater drones and amphibious assault drones that can be handled by this kind of ship.
 
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Although many talking about air drones, there will be sea drones (Ulaq), underwater drones and amphibious assault drones that can be handled by this kind of ship.
Exactly my thoughts! Everybody’s so focused on flying drones from TCG Anadolu. But its real power multiplier will be its ability to incorporate different kinds of unmanned platforms. It could carry unmanned EVERYTHING; tanks, drones, sea vessels, ambhibious assault vehicles, submarines… The possibilities are endless. It could act as a base for a completely unmanned assault. In a couple of years, we could see the beginning of a new “unmanned assault mothership” concept.
 

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Exactly my thoughts! Everybody’s so focused on flying drones from TCG Anadolu. But its real power multiplier will be its ability to incorporate different kinds of unmanned platforms. It could carry unmanned EVERYTHING; tanks, drones, sea vessels, ambhibious assault vehicles, submarines… The possibilities are endless. It could act as a base for a completely unmanned assault. In a couple of years, we could see the beginning of a new “unmanned assault mothership” concept.
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