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[Test7]

Sounds like the entire flotilla. Orchestrating such an exercise is even a serious business.

Also, Navy's all UAVs will join this exercise. this makes the enemy think twice. More awareness, more firepower, more psychological pressure..

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1397077343387193349

 

[Yasar_TR]

It is a real dilemma why the TN YTKB Tuzla boats are so void of effective weapons.
1 Oto Melara twin barrel 40mm gun
2 127mm Stamp
That is it. Only now are they fitting them with Roketsan ASW rockets.
In comparison just check out the same boat in the hands of the Turkmenistan navy;
It has 2 x air defence missiles (MBDA Sinbad RC) batteries (6km range, 2.5 Mach speed)
It’s ASW Roketsan missiles are just behind the main gun.
It has also , MBDA Otomat MK2 anti ship missiles (180km range subsonic) At the back.
There is plenty of space for weapons if you want it!!

Sungur or Bozdogan based RAM for short range AD and a MRShM (Mini Atmaca) for anti ship could be our alternatives if there is a will!!!

 

[Anmdt]

It is a real dilemma why the TN YTKB Tuzla boats are so void of effective weapons.
1 Oto Melara twin barrel 40mm gun
2 127mm Stamp
That is it. Only now are they fitting them with Roketsan ASW rockets.
In comparison just check out the same boat in the hands of the Turkmenistan navy;
It has 2 x air defence missiles (MBDA Sinbad RC) batteries (6km range, 2.5 Mach speed)
It’s ASW Roketsan missiles are just behind the main gun.
It has also , MBDA Otomat MK2 anti ship missiles (180km range subsonic) At the back.
There is plenty of space for weapons if you want it!!
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Sungur or Bozdogan based RAM for short range AD and a MRShM (Mini Atmaca) for anti ship could be our alternatives if there is a will!!!

I prefer;
-Orka,
-Ulaq,
-Improved ASW rockets (>10 km range with passive guidance),
-Sungur-N (8 tube launcher, >12-3 km range),
-Mar-D + Light IRST
-Light EW,
-MRAShM could be optional, like switching between these or ASW Rockets, Ulaq may switch between ISR&EW / ASW / Patrol variant
-YTKBs are open for growth, you may see their generators are actually an overkill for a ship at this size.

We have our own wiki and i could freely write some allegations:

Tuzla Class

Overview The Tuzla-class New Type Patrol Boat (Turkish: Yeni Tip Karakol Botu) is one of the patrol boat classes of the Turkish Navy. The Tuzla class, named after a district in Istanbul with the same name, have been designed by Dearsan Shipyards in order to meet the operational requirements of...

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It was too easy for Dearsan to convert these ships into a Corvette, even classification process was a lot faster than a new design because in most parts it was classified to be equipped with more than it has got.

I think there was a reason why these boats were chosen against the other good looking ones.

 

[Turko]

I prefer;
-Orka,
-Ulaq,
-Improved ASW rockets (>10 km range with passive guidance),
-Sungur-N (8 tube launcher, >12-3 km range),
-Mar-D + Light IRST
-Light EW,
-MRAShM could be optional, like switching between these or ASW Rockets, Ulaq may switch between ISR&EW / ASW / Patrol variant
-YTKBs are open for growth, you may see their generators are actually an overkill for a ship at this size.

We have our own wiki and i could freely write some allegations:

Tuzla Class

Overview The Tuzla-class New Type Patrol Boat (Turkish: Yeni Tip Karakol Botu) is one of the patrol boat classes of the Turkish Navy. The Tuzla class, named after a district in Istanbul with the same name, have been designed by Dearsan Shipyards in order to meet the operational requirements of...

defencehub.live

It was too easy for Dearsan to convert these ships into a Corvette, even classification process was a lot faster than a new design because in most parts it was classified to be equipped with more than it has got.

I think there was a reason why these boats were chosen against the other good looking ones.

I wish you to be future guidance counselor of Turkish Navy . Why wouldnt our forum send such a talented expert to Turkish Navy?

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Someone has already drawn 16 sungurs with 40 mm

 

[Anmdt]

I wish you to be future guidance counselor of Turkish Navy . Why wouldnt our forum send such a talented expert to Turkish Navy?

Unfortunately it is not my expertise, there are solid counselors with the actual background on systems engineering and weapon systems within the Navy (Armerkom and design review committee) , they are sometimes, over-conservative, it is on the balance so far but they adapt fast to the future i think.
And somebody has already thought/spoken about these, so i have heard sprinkled some imagination and wrote here.

 

[Spook]

Should we have a new patrol boat class in order to make good use of 76mm Oto Malera's from our decommissioned warships in the future? Good condition guns would be used for the boats, rest for spare parts. Goal of the project should be cost-effectiveness and modularity. Boat will be used for support and training.

Semi-stealth design should be used
New innovations should be used to lower maintenance costs down even more. Like 3D Printing parts available on port
Modularity is what will make this boat good. Long enough deck to accommodate variety of systems, anything that is available. Sungur, UMTAS, Cirit or TRLG-122, 230 or Loitering Munition Canisters. Laser systems. Unmanned Sea, Air Vehicles.
Boat can be used for Anti-USV, C-UAS roles.

 

[Hexciter]

A bit naval history

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1397823842601558016

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1406357817754374155

Ex-TCG Işın A589, How it began, how it ends.
Really wanted to see the ship as a museum ship though.
Note that even the ship was used on target practice, how clean and well maintained it was, even while sinking.

 

[CAN_TR]

No joke, it was heartbreaking when that little ship sank.

 

[EternalTurk]

Indeed it has given many years of good service for the Turkish Navy and to see it destroyed like this feels like killing your own kin.

 

[Turko]

@Anmdt Dear Is there any use of ACAR-D in TurNavy?

Would it be effective several fixed ACAR-D panels around a ship with SUNGUR missiles like Active Protection system?This 2D radar can cue launcher and calculate approaching missile distance and speed.

Also what about little compact fixed aesa panels on corvettes and ships?


I don't know what hemispheric radar means but it is AESA and used as tactical radar.

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[Anmdt]

Besides, ship design is not that important, nowadays anyone can design a ship of any tonnage by consulting, electronics are the hardest part, and this is a versatile spectrum. These are extraordinarily multidisciplinary works that are impossible to beat.

Not really so, who is making such things up?
There are countries out there struggling to design and build near 1000 tonnes ships. Project management, a complete and sound design, and system integration is the most critical one. For example Ukraine themselves, after getting apart from Russia couldn't weld two parts of steels despite of having electronics. Even consultancy didn't save them or made them through to complete their design; they couldn't complete neither the design,nor the production.
If you ever told this around hard-worked people which has spent their years on Milgem's design they could kick you

According to what I heard from the university, Black Sea Shield company will buy some motors with their Ip's and produce them under a different name, as Turan Oguz said. This includes AL 25. 49% of the company is owned by Ukrainians, they probably think they can make a lot of money.

Again, they will own the design, they will produce it, they will deliver is pre-assembled for completion and integration to the UAVs. This is really nothing beneficial for Turkey but to them. I really doubt if Blacksea shield can establish factories from scratch, as i see they are focusing on integration and certain modifications for UAVs.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Not really so, who is making such things up?
There are countries out there struggling to design and build near 1000 tonnes ships. Project management, a complete and sound design, and system integration is the most critical one. For example Ukraine themselves, after getting apart from Russia couldn't weld two parts of steels despite of having electronics. Even consultancy didn't save them or made them through to complete their design; they couldn't complete neither the design,nor the production.
If you ever told this around hard-worked people which has spent their years on Milgem's design they could kick you

In addition to the people who spent their years in turbine pressure dynamics and cooling systems, the average 15 generals who are preparing for doctorate in the USA at the master's level and the shipyard workers cannot be read. You can get help in ship design from many countries and companies, but not even a finger can pass on turbine engines.

The example of Ukraine is very wrong because it is a country full of corruption, it is not certain what they can do even if they have the capacity. The same is true for indonesia, its staff is extraordinarily scarce and its ever-changing governments are not even sure they can allocate a budget.

 

[Anmdt]

In addition to the people who spent their years in turbine pressure dynamics and cooling systems, the average 15 generals who are preparing for doctorate in the USA at the master's level and the shipyard workers cannot be read. You can get help in ship design from many countries and companies, but not even a finger can pass on turbine engines.

Same applies for shipbuilding as well, it is much more than the shell of the warship and welding-assembling some blocks. We are talking about 30+ years experience on shipbuilding before starting the Ada-Class.
There are certain things you can get help from abroad, for some there is not; everybody shares block-building know-how nowadays, or cutting and welding of simple marine grade steels, but none shares know-how of RF interference designs, low-RCS design (most is obvious in basic level but implementation requires past experience, and it could be devastating as well, i have seen some foreign countries trying to employ low-RCS design but then ending up with worse RCS), sonar-dome design,placement and production, construction with HY, non-magnetic, and special armor grade steels. Or they do something and just ship the results without any interim explanation, they come individually to weld and build the blocks of special sections in case of ToT.

It does not involve a rocket-science but it does involve experience and knowledge which is as much as ,or even more than a jet-turbine, Ukraine again as a great example, they can make jet-engines but not a ship (despite of having a heritance of both from soviets), not even something mentionable, corruption does not explain this but for jet turbine you need heritance and a factory and some people, but for a ship you need a whole team at least a hundred specialist to come together.

So again it is Turkey which is going to teach them how to build blocks, as well as sub-system integration at once while British will just let them to build easy blocks, deliver complicated blocks pre-assembled and keep their hand off during integration of subsystems.

The people who;
does mass-management of Ada class had 20+ years of experience,
does piping plan of Ada-Class had 10+ years experience plus some know-how training abroad
does steel-construction plan had experience of 20+ years plus some know-how and training abroad
does shock analysis had PhD abroad + 10 years experience
and there are at least a few dozen individual people i can list for certain aspects of design either had a PhD abroad, or had a long experience + know-how transfer via other joint projects so that we did become able to make Ada class.

We were also offered some empty shell (design) to equip it on our own but we have declined a few offers from abroad.

 

[Test7]

Gurdesan produced fixed pitch propellers, high speed cavitation propellers and propeller nozzle. propellers for Kaan-15, Kaan-19 classes of boats, Landing Craft Tank(LCT-2), Coast Guard A/K Ship RHIP Water Jet, Burak Class Corvette, ACMB propulsion system and New Type Submarine shafts have been produced.

Also, Gurdesan produces hydraulic pistons and inner blocks in the New Type SubmarineProjest(Type 214TN) and manoueuvring systems ,particularly different type of rudder sets.

 

[Anmdt]

The same is true for indonesia, its staff is extraordinarily scarce and its ever-changing governments are not even sure they can allocate a budget.

We have plenty of staff, budget and same government for 20 years yet little progress is made on TF-2000. Due to some political challenge ongoing between some political heads.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1409515492721713152

SH-70B of Turkish Navy exercises for landing/take off and aerial refueling with TCG Bayraktar and Sancaktar, L-402 , L-403.

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1409471336599244801

Navy plans to acquire ATAK, Hürkuş-Hürjet to train Navy fighter pilots.

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1409500661092392962

Will 10 ton GMH enter service earlier?