TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

[Nilgiri]

Türkiye’s return to F-35 program would strengthen NATO: US envoy - Türkiye News

The U.S. ambassador to Türkiye described the prolonged dispute over Ankara’s participation in the F-35 fighter jet program as “insane,” urging a swift resolution, and stressing that it would help strengthen the NATO alliance, which both countries are longstanding members of.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

US is really spouting nonsens at this point, with the current president.

Not to mention the strings they will try to attach to everything. Again, as usual.

The ambassador primary job is to tell host country what (he thinks) they want to hear....keep doors/potentials open "verbally" etc.

A concrete filter needs to be applied when it comes to ambassadors....to try get some actual message and compare with actions etc.

Check out what he has said regd the regional dynamics....its vague filler material made more appetizing for Turkish ears.....and then compare to the actions US takes.

 

[Huelague]

Iam in favour to return in F-35 project. Not as customer, but manufacturer.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

The ambassador primary job is to tell host country what (he thinks) they want to hear....keep doors/potentials open "verbally" etc.

A concrete filter needs to be applied when it comes to ambassadors....to try get some actual message and compare with actions etc.

Check out what he has said regd the regional dynamics....its vague filler material made more appetizing for Turkish ears.....and then compare to the actions US takes.

Spot on!

 

[TurkWolf]

I wonder if the US interest in bringing Turkiye back into the F-35 program has to do more with tapping the country's manufacturing potential. It has attempted to shift Turkiye's role in the program to some other nations but from what I hear that isn't going as well as the US hoped.

I suspect Turkiye's return is inevitable but the government is trying to extract maximum concessions from the US in negotiations before an agreement is reached.

I really don't have much of a strong opinion on this one.
But would welcome it, just to see certain nations/people reaction and crying.

 

[Bogeyman]

Since 2023, China has imposed export controls on antimony, gallium, germanium, graphite, and heavy rare-earth elements, creating upstream bottlenecks, leading to over 300 F-35s being delivered without its new AN/APG-85 radar due to a lack of gallium.

China-Proofing the American Industrial Base

Economic Security Essay Contest Winner!

www.chinatalk.media

 

[Pokemonte13]

Since 2023, China has imposed export controls on antimony, gallium, germanium, graphite, and heavy rare-earth elements, creating upstream bottlenecks, leading to over 300 F-35s being delivered without its new AN/APG-85 radar due to a lack of gallium.

China-Proofing the American Industrial Base

Economic Security Essay Contest Winner!

www.chinatalk.media

Not really sure if 300 but the main issue is that the radar is to big thats the main issue other wise the block 3 is fine

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

What is happening?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074166043375796542

 

[Pokemonte13]

What is happening?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074166043375796542

its not happening only when s400 solution is found but even than its unlikely

 

[Oublious]

ther is something going on behind the wall.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074096262110982620

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074201463686050191

Israeli media outlet i24NEWS:

Israel is concerned that Trump will establish an aircraft maintenance center on Turkish soil.

The last thing we want is for these F-35s to fall into Turkish hands.

The moment they receive these aircraft, they will learn all their weaknesses.

If we are forced to send F-35 engines to the Turks for maintenance, the Turks might say, "We are not giving them back to you."

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

its not happening only when s400 solution is found but even than its unlikely

It is certainly not an issue that can be easily resolved, but judging by the statements coming from Israel, it appears they have lost their influence over Trump particularly regarding Turkey. Their hands are tied concerning the F110s, and they seem to be struggling with the F-35 issue as well.

Netanyahu appeared on Fox News today, practically pleading with Trump not to provide the F110s and F-35s to Türkiye.

It seems that Trump holds views on Turkey that are diametrically opposed to those of Israel.

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074201463686050191

Israeli media outlet i24NEWS:

Israel is concerned that Trump will establish an aircraft maintenance center on Turkish soil.

The last thing we want is for these F-35s to fall into Turkish hands.

The moment they receive these aircraft, they will learn all their weaknesses.

If we are forced to send F-35 engines to the Turks for maintenance, the Turks might say, "We are not giving them back to you."

So they wish to resume F35 from where they left.

 

[Zafer]

F35 has Israel made components, won't fly without Israel's consent.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074822642645733797

 

[Sanchez]

F35 has Israel made components, won't fly without Israel's consent.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074822642645733797

Lol, Israel would see a ban hammer of epic proportions that would make CAATSA look like a joke if that route were to be taken. There are no other IP owners in F-35. It's completely US owned. They are at best designed to spec even if they were built abroad, and most "Israeli" components are built in US by US based Israeli firms, entirely beholden to US laws.

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Nice grouping of senators that visited the summit:

"
Bipartisan Congressional delegation to @NATO Summit sounds bullish on the Trump Administration bringing Turkey back into the F-35 program:
@RepMikeTurner: "The details that we have--that have been shared with us, that it does appear to be promising."
@SenatorShaheen: "If there is an acceptable way to deal with the S400 and the threat that that poses to the technology in the F35, and there is satisfactory agreement on the part of all parties about that, then I think having Turkey back in the F-35 program would be a positive development, both for Türkiye and for the United States. But we still have questions to answer with respect to what's being proposed, and we haven't gotten those answers. So we will wait and see what happens."
@MikeRounds: "Türkiye is a major NATO contributor, and anything that we can do to provide them with the resources to be an even stronger adversary with regard incursions by Russia in Europe, the better off we all are. And one of those is to have that tool, of the F-35."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074773003703840869

 

[TR_123456]

We should be content with the engines if we get them.
F-35 is not going to happen.

 

[Zafer]

It is going to get even worse

Israel has a new act of owning the US military

United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative

... lays the groundwork for bilateral research and development, co-production of weapons, joint ventures, licensing agreements, and seemingly every manner of US-Israeli military-industrial complex cooperation.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-congress-quietly-moving-to-integrate-american-and-israeli-military-forces-report/3951614

Nothing you buy from the US maybe American

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

We should be content with the engines if we get them.
F-35 is not going to happen.

Türkiye should order more than 80 F110 engines.

 

[TR_123456]

Türkiye should order more than 80 F110 engines.

Lets get the 80 first.

 

[Tabmachine]

It is certainly not an issue that can be easily resolved, but judging by the statements coming from Israel, it appears they have lost their influence over Trump particularly regarding Turkey. Their hands are tied concerning the F110s, and they seem to be struggling with the F-35 issue as well.

Netanyahu appeared on Fox News today, practically pleading with Trump not to provide the F110s and F-35s to Türkiye.

It seems that Trump holds views on Turkey that are diametrically opposed to those of Israel.

It's all theatre directed mainly towards the domestic American audience. They are trying to portray Israel as being having less influence and control than it does. Note that he's speaking on Fox News. From the statement by Trump, to this media outing by Netenyahu, you should assume that it is all deliberate and coordinated.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

No, having more than 80 F-110 engines doesn’t make sense. What’s more, in an emergency, you could still assemble at least 8–10 yourself from spare parts in the depot. On top of that, there are the engines from the 5–6 prototypes, which are practically new and will easily last 5–6 years or more, even with intensive use after the prototype phase.
That would make just under 100 F-110 engines for just under 50 aircraft – that’s enough for the Block 10 and Block 20 variants.
The aim, after all, is to break free from this dependency, not to sink even deeper into it...

The Greeks cannot simply pull 40 to 50 F-35s out of a hat by 2030; for them, the upper limit is a maximum of 50 to 60 aircraft, spread over a period of 10 to 15 years. The maintenance costs are exorbitantly high; even extremely wealthy EU countries are only willing to afford a maximum of 50 to 60 aircraft – it is simply too expensive.