TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Agha Sher]

Kızılelma is subsonic in this first iteration, surface imperfections should be tolerable.

this is the first real prototype. Manufacturing quality will improve rapidly.

 

[Anmdt]

Although it was announced that this example is an actual flying prototype, it doesn't mean that it's complete.
I think there's still quite a bit of work to be done on it. Could be that they did some of the parts haphazardly just to make it to the show.

I don't think this is the prototype that is going to fly but it is rather a mock-up, a full scale model to work on, at the body details and building-assembly sections then to be shown in fairs etc.

There is another prototype that is going to fly, and it was shown only for once in the factory in earlier stage of assembly. There has been a misunderstanding when it was announced as 'prototype'. Full scale mock ups are a protoype from a point of view. But someone interpreted as a prototype that is going to fly and it goes on for months.

 

[Era_shield]

I think you are right, it's the paint. Here is a perfect video, 'up close and personal:

RAM coating (which is thicker than paint) is a bit uneven. It's normal in stealth aircraft, but it's more noticeable on the Kizilelma because it has such a clean surface. You can see the same thing here on the F-22 (most noticeable under the right wing):

 

[MADDOG]

I don't think this is the prototype that is going to fly but it is rather a mock-up, a full scale model to work on, at the body details and building-assembly sections then to be shown in fairs etc.

There is another prototype that is going to fly, and it was shown only for once in the factory in earlier stage of assembly. There has been a misunderstanding when it was announced as 'prototype'. Full scale mock ups are a protoype from a point of view. But someone interpreted as a prototype that is going to fly and it goes on for months.

I don't think so man. I'm pretty sure the one being built in the picture below, is the prototype we saw at TEKNOFEST. The Kızılelma stationed at the right doesn't have any access hatches, doesn't have the right radome. Its wings don't even fit. It also comes with a different livery. And I'm calling the one towards the left a "prototype" simply because of the visible compartments. That's not how you make a mock-up. Making a mock-up this intricate would be a total waste of time to begin with. So I do believe the one stationed below and the Kızılelma at TEKNOFEST are both the same prototypes. And I also believe it was confirmed numerous times that the model presented at TEKNOFEST was in fact a flying prototype.

 

[MADDOG]

this is the first real prototype. Manufacturing quality will improve rapidly.

For sure it will. But if my theory is sound, there really is nothing wrong with the manufacturing quality of the team.

 

[MADDOG]

Not sure but the paint work could look like that because of RAM material, it is not that Baykar can't make clean surface (just look at how smooth the surface of TB2 is)

Exactly I mean look at the Akinci right next to it. Silky smooth. It must be due to RAM.

 

[Combat-Master]

They need to improve on their manufacturing techniques, I'm sure they are already on-top of it. Also, there's some issues with Akinci with the PW engine exhausts funnelling hot air and gasses to the leading edge of the wing they need to sort that out too.

 

[MADDOG]

They need to improve on their manufacturing techniques, I'm sure they are already on-top of it. Also, there's some issues with Akinci with the PW engine exhausts funnelling hot air and gasses to the leading edge of the wing they need to sort that out too.

If it is indeed a manufacturing error... then yeah I don't know what to say. Let's just hope it's due to the RAM covering the aircraft.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I don't think this is the prototype that is going to fly but it is rather a mock-up

Mr. Selcuk Bayraktar had said this himself during an interview at the location.

 

[Anmdt]

Mr. Selcuk Bayraktar had said this himself during an interview at the location.

I think it was misunderstood or misinterpreted. Because nobody simply walks a prototype bound to fly within a tight schedule, from fair to fair. The prototype to fly was shown in the factory and it is still in the factory and the building quality is far superior to mock up. Imo, even the paint of mock up is not RAM and not done pretty well, may even not be an airworthy coating.

They need to improve on their manufacturing techniques, I'm sure they are already on-top of it. Also, there's some issues with Akinci with the PW engine exhausts funnelling hot air and gasses to the leading edge of the wing they need to sort that out too.

Engineers from Baykar also pointed out these, that they need to work on high temperature resistant composite materials, that especially will be needed more in the MIUS. They started working on that a bit late to be honest.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1570723503623786497

Very interesting video of Azeri troops attacking an armenian stronghold while receiving air support from a TB2 in real time. Awesome display of combined and integrated warfare.

 

[MADDOG]

I think it was misunderstood or misinterpreted. Because nobody simply walks a prototype bound to fly within a tight schedule, from fair to fair. The prototype to fly was shown in the factory and it is still in the factory and the building quality is far superior to mock up. Imo, even the paint of mock up is not RAM and not done pretty well, may even not be an airworthy coating.


Engineers from Baykar also pointed out these, that they need to work on high temperature resistant composite materials, that especially will be needed more in the MIUS. They started working on that a bit late to be honest.

I was wondering. How do you know the prototype is still in the factory? Has someone close to BAYKAR briefed you on this? Don't take it as a negative. I'm genuinely wondering as it is a little confusing rn.

 

[Anmdt]

I was wondering. How do you know the prototype is still in the factory? Has someone close to BAYKAR briefed you on this? Don't take it as a negative. I'm genuinely wondering as it is a little confusing rn.

There are two prototypes, it was shown in the pictures. One of them were rather a mock-up, another one had more details on it. Selcuk Bayraktar shared this image himself.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1538452171099934720

Right one; the mock-up that is taken to the fairs, have little to none functionality but shares structural similarity and used for initial trainings - studies - experiments.

Left one; the prototype that is going to fly, it is still in the factory. I can't disclose how i know it, i just happen to know.

 

[MADDOG]

There are two prototypes, it was shown in the pictures. One of them were rather a mock-up, another one had more details on it. Selcuk Bayraktar shared this image himself.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1538452171099934720

Right one; the mock-up that is taken to the fairs, have little to none functionality but shares structural similarity and used for initial trainings - studies - experiments.

Left one; the prototype that is going to fly, it is still in the factory. I can't disclose how i know it, i just happen to know.

"I don't think so man. I'm pretty sure the one being built in the picture below, is the prototype we saw at TEKNOFEST. The Kızılelma stationed at the right doesn't have any access hatches, doesn't have the right radome. Its wings don't even fit. It also comes with a different livery. And I'm calling the one towards the left a "prototype" simply because of the visible compartments. That's not how you make a mock-up. Making a mock-up this intricate would be a total waste of time to begin with. So I do believe the one stationed below and the Kızılelma at TEKNOFEST are both the same prototypes. And I also believe it was confirmed numerous times that the model presented at TEKNOFEST was in fact a flying prototype." This is what I had to say regarding that. If what you say is true then it is safe to assume BAYKAR added access hatches, re-did the entire radome, added new wings, added control surfaces and changed its livery. I mean that's a lot of work, but I'm not gonna question it. So it's a mock-up then...

 

[Bmx98]

AKSUNGUR SİHA PD-170 Motoruyla Uçuşlara Başladı

TUSAŞ AKSUNGUR SİHA, PD-170 motoruyla uçuşlara başladı. Milli İHA Motoru PD-170, böylelikle ANKA'nın ardından AKSUNGUR platformuna da kalifiye ediliyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

A much anticipated development. Hopefully we will see more uav engines by TEI used in turkish aircraft, hopefully next step for Tei is producing turboprops and turbofans.

 

[Merzifonlu]

AKSUNGUR SİHA PD-170 Motoruyla Uçuşlara Başladı

TUSAŞ AKSUNGUR SİHA, PD-170 motoruyla uçuşlara başladı. Milli İHA Motoru PD-170, böylelikle ANKA'nın ardından AKSUNGUR platformuna da kalifiye ediliyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

A much anticipated development. Hopefully we will see more uav engines by TEI used in turkish aircraft, hopefully next step for Tei is producing turboprops and turbofans.

I really don't understand why this is taking so long. A possible explanation would be: In the previous PD-170s, simple pieces were used, the copyrights and sales rights of which belonged to western countries. They thought that an embargo would not come to them. When the embargo was imposed, it became necessary to copy all of them at once, sorry "localization".

For example, the propeller to be attached to the engine. When the Germans put an embargo even on a very simple 2-blade propeller, Baykar ordered the more efficient and quiet 3-blade propeller for the TB2s from the local manufacturer.

 

[Yasar_TR]

AKSUNGUR SİHA PD-170 Motoruyla Uçuşlara Başladı

TUSAŞ AKSUNGUR SİHA, PD-170 motoruyla uçuşlara başladı. Milli İHA Motoru PD-170, böylelikle ANKA'nın ardından AKSUNGUR platformuna da kalifiye ediliyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

A much anticipated development. Hopefully we will see more uav engines by TEI used in turkish aircraft, hopefully next step for Tei is producing turboprops and turbofans.

PD170, already in use with Anka, finally being used in Aksungur as well.
Most important statement in the article is the altitude at which Aksungur flew with her new engines; 40000ft ! Flying with Hurkus.

This engine will improve the flight envelope of the plane further.

 

[Brokengineer]

PD170, already in use with Anka, finally being used in Aksungur as well.
Most important statement in the article is the altitude at which Aksungur flew with her new engines; 40000ft ! Flying with Hurkus.

This engine will improve the flight envelope of the plane further.

They were advertising aksungur with 750kg payload at 20kft, with 250kg payload at 35kft. Is that with pd170 or cd155 engines.

 

[Combat-Master]

I really don't understand why this is taking so long. A possible explanation would be: In the previous PD-170s, simple pieces were used, the copyrights and sales rights of which belonged to western countries. They thought that an embargo would not come to them. When the embargo was imposed, it became necessary to copy all of them at once, sorry "localization".

For example, the propeller to be attached to the engine. When the Germans put an embargo even on a very simple 2-blade propeller, Baykar ordered the more efficient and quiet 3-blade propeller for the TB2s from the local manufacturer.

Who is making the three bladed propeller, do you know ?

 

[Merzifonlu]

Who is making the three bladed propeller, do you know ?

No. Here are the things I know. (or think I know) I know that the new 3-blade propeller is made of carbon fiber and designed by Baykar. But I don't know which company produced it.