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TISU 7+ ton weight... If 7+ tons is the empty weight of this aircraft, then a truly bomber drone will be revealed in roll-out. If not, TISU will be a drone similar or a little larger than Neuron in size.

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Rather than a bomber i hope it will be finally our own Globak Hawk.We still dont have a product to show in that category.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Israeli "drone dome"

Benefits​

• Delivers an off-the-shelf system
• Enables soft and hard-kill
• Detects targets as small as 0.002 m2, at a distance of 3.5 km
• Minimizes collateral damage
• Operates in all weather conditions
• Offers modular configuration, tailored to customer's requirements
• Open architecture enables integration with any sensor, any shooter

Is not designed to be used against a drone like Anka-s or even TB2. Nothing but a common waste of money by the Greek defense

Basically, conmen getting conned by better conmen.

 

[UkroTurk]

Greek newspaper Kathimerini:
"The government has started to deploy Israeli-made anti-drone systems on the islands in secrecy against TB-2 or ANKA-S UCAVs."

According to the newspaper, the purpose of placing defense systems is to 'jamming' the UAVs flying in the region's skies.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588566477321297920

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4D AESA radar which is used on SHORAD Striker vehicles. Those systems are necessary to close air defense gaps.
IMO , We -Turkiye- should also upgrade our naval systems especially all frigates, corvettes, TCG Anadolu and Tuzla class boats.

Look the system on the US Navy's ship.

 

[Lool]

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TISU 7+ ton weight... If 7+ tons is the empty weight of this aircraft, then a truly bomber drone will be revealed in roll-out. If not, TISU will be a drone similar or a little larger than Neuron in size.

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I truly hope Turkey ends up with a heavy bomber drone


I said it many times before but what Turkey needs rn is something akin to a small B2 bomber

 

[Boz]

Maybe they found a way. Maybe they modified an Akıncı and put a 5G base station on it to transmit data at a rate of 10 gbps to control station.
You can transmit 100GB data in under 40 minutes with a 4.5G 375 mbps connection, at 1 gbps it takes under 15 minutes.
You can transmit 100GB data in under 2 minutes with a 5G 10gbps connection.

Regardless of this, we should get a test plane.

If that is the case, and that's a big if; they should definitely get a proper testing aircraft, it's way too critical of a system to experiment with.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

It seems 6/7tons will be MTOW figure for TISU fighter drone.

 

[Yasar_TR]

It seems 6/7tons will be MTOW figure for TISU fighter drone.

Do we know the engine used to fly this drone?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Do we know the engine used to fly this drone?

They must be preparing the TF6000/10000 for this drone but until it is developed, Ukrainian engine in similar class can be used as a stop gap solution bro.

 

[Ryder]

I truly hope Turkey ends up with a heavy bomber drone


I said it many times before but what Turkey needs rn is something akin to a small B2 bomber

We need a gunship drone

 

[zio]

There is no IFF system on Anka/Akıncı.If there is no room to for power supply it is ok,otherwise it is not good at all.

 

[MADDOG]

Göksungur will be a turboprop UAV according to savunmasanayist! Not at all what we were expecting.

The jet powered UCAV TAI is developing is expected to feature internal weapon bays. I'm pretty sure what that thing is going to resemble...

 

[bisbis]

Greek newspaper Kathimerini:
"The government has started to deploy Israeli-made anti-drone systems on the islands in secrecy against TB-2 or ANKA-S UCAVs."

According to the newspaper, the purpose of placing defense systems is to 'jamming' the UAVs flying in the region's skies.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588566477321297920

This news is a great opportunity for us. We have used our drone systems against Russian jamming systems in Syria and Karabakh and we have been successful.

Now we have the chance to test and develop our drone systems against Israeli jamming systems.

We also surpass the Israeli jamming system and the popularity of our drone systems peaks all over the world.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Goksungur will high likely be this drone

 

[Baris]

Göksungur will be a turboprop UAV according to savunmasanayist! Not at all what we were expecting.

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this is getting outta hand now there are two of them.
I'm guessing Göksungur is the (YİHA). Basically a HALE turboprop drone.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Goksungur will high likely be this drone

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Basically an Anka on steroid.

 

[NitricAcid]

✓ TAI's Unmanned Fighter Aircraft will have a maximum take-off weight of approximately 7 tons. The unmanned fighter aircraft, which is planned to be unveiled in the first half of next year, is being developed in the light of the experiences gained from ANKA. It is estimated that the aircraft, which is already learned to be on the production line, will also have internal weapon stations.

✓ TAI is also working on a UAV named GÖKSUNGUR. Developed over AKSUNGUR UAV, GÖKSUNGUR will have turboprop engines. Thanks to the turboprop engines, GÖKSUNGUR will be able to reach the theater much faster.


Source :

TUSAŞ İnsansız Savaş Uçağı ve GÖKSUNGUR İçin Çalışıyor

TUSAŞ, İnsansız Savaş Uçağı ve GÖKSUNGUR İHA için çalışmalarını sürdürüyor. İnsansız Savaş Uçağı'nın üretim faaliyetleri devam ediyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Zafer]

The question is which engines will power the Göksungur if it is going to be turboprop?
A turboprop engine can be made from a turboshaft engine without too much development time. But the most ideal one is one that has been developed as a turboprop from scratch. Göksungur can use a PT6 engine like a version of Akıncı does but they can as well turn TS1400 into a turboprop. In the case of a conversion from TS1400 it can be the largest UAV in service in Türkiye.

 

[Combat-Master]

✓ TAI's Unmanned Fighter Aircraft will have a maximum take-off weight of approximately 7 tons. The unmanned fighter aircraft, which is planned to be unveiled in the first half of next year, is being developed in the light of the experiences gained from ANKA. It is estimated that the aircraft, which is already learned to be on the production line, will also have internal weapon stations.

✓ TAI is also working on a UAV named GÖKSUNGUR. Developed over AKSUNGUR UAV, GÖKSUNGUR will have turboprop engines. Thanks to the turboprop engines, GÖKSUNGUR will be able to reach the theater much faster.


Source :

TUSAŞ İnsansız Savaş Uçağı ve GÖKSUNGUR İçin Çalışıyor

TUSAŞ, İnsansız Savaş Uçağı ve GÖKSUNGUR İHA için çalışmalarını sürdürüyor. İnsansız Savaş Uçağı'nın üretim faaliyetleri devam ediyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

What kind of speeds we looking at here, 250-300 knots with 1,300 shp engines?

Thought we were expecting something like this, but initial specs don't match up.

 

[Yasar_TR]

They must be preparing the TF6000/10000 for this drone but until it is developed, Ukrainian engine in similar class can be used as a stop gap solution bro.

If this TISU is going to be a bomber class plane, then it doesn’t need supersonic flight and wont be a fighter. More like a smaller, almost half size, version of the US‘s F-117 Skyhawk.
Therefore it will be adequate to use a single non A/B TF6000 engine to give it the thrust it would require, together with a very respectable combat radius and good payload capacity.
A good example would be the US’s X-45 plane with a Honeywell F-124 engine.

But if it is going to be a fighter/bomber, then a dual TF6000 without A/B will give it stealth characteristics and enough thrust to achieve supersonic flight and hence super cruise capability. And at the same time capacity to fight for air dominance albeit a totally different concept design.
There is so much potential that can be exploited with a plane like this that one could write a thesis paper on it.

NB where Ukranian engine becomes difficult to obtain and ours take longer than anticipated to arrive, an engine like RR Adour could be purchased too.

 

[dBSPL]

As It could be a Ukrainian engine, could also be a PT-6. Variants of this engine were used in both AKINCI and HÜRKUŞ. Or there is a TEI-TP-1400 that has not yet been announced. The turboprop variant of the TS-1400 could be ready within months, they will technically be the same engine anyway.

But the real question is that it is very difficult or inefficient to reach very high altitudes with turboprop engines. The maximum efficient altitude range for these engine types is between 35-45K. We know that Akinci B has reached 45K and is working towards 50K. In this case, the other question is, is a system equivalent to AKINCI being prepared, or are they working on a system that will exceed 55K? If it is the latter, it needs much better aerodynamics/wing area, much more thrust and higher cruise speed. And my other question (if the aim is high altitude) is for what purpose this aircraft is being developed. Will it be a UCAV carrying ammunition or another-purposes system.

My approach and what I have been asking for years is why TAI is not working on pseudo-satellite HAPS. The technological advancement in payloads promises ultra-persistence ISTAR capability of such solar-electric flying stations at +70K altitude. TAI may be the only company in Turkiye capable of developing such a system.