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TAI's solution
Yes, I believe this is the new solution.
I meant years ago with this one:
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Yeah,
It wasn't the CH7. It was the Mosquito:
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That's why it was dubbed the "Sivrisinek", I think.
 

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I think the cargo drone (50kg payload class) that TAI will deliver will be this RIHA. After the RIHA with 50kg payload, TAI will deliver RIHA with 150kg payload.

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We should make helicopters for every aviation engine we have.
From 30hp to 220hp with piston engines and
From 50hp of TP38 to to 3000hp engine to be made with turbines.
And of course we can mix them with electric to fill the gaps in between.
I heard the number 34, what is it?
 

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Does that mean it can lock onto 6 targets at a time?
No! It means it has a lot more separate systems onboard that need computer control. Aesa radar, flight control system, satellite communications, ELINT/SIGINT System, ESM Pod, Collision Avoidance System, weapons control, electronic warfare pod are just some of them.
 

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I don't think # target lock is related to number of AI computers, but I would be surprised if Akinci couldn't lock on multiple target simultaneously
I am sure it can lock on multiple targets. It will have air to air and air to surface missiles like HGK-ER and SOM-J. Also will be doing all this in a web based communication medium. SAR/GMTI radar Milsar by Meteksan will also be a big asset for this UAV.
 

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The F-35 preliminary design was done in the 90's. Just sayin'.
Technology advanced rather slowly at those times. There is exponential progress in technology world and we see new designs every day that have increasingly better design features. Surely you can only use the elements that are available to you but you can pretty much design the aerodynamics whatever way you want. I hope they make the right choices between alternative solutions to the problem.
 

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I wonder what Baykar is working on that is not public. MIUS is pretty impressive as is, and seeing that its been in development since 2013 can only mean that other next-gen projects are in the making.
 

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Technology advanced rather slowly at those times. There is exponential progress in technology world and we see new designs every day that have increasingly better design features. Surely you can only use the elements that are available to you but you can pretty much design the aerodynamics whatever way you want. I hope they make the right choices between alternative solutions to the problem.
I think you shouldn't worry about the design being old or dated for two reasons;

First one is that it's common in aviation industry that an aircraft would need a relatively long time from design to serial production and that's mainly because of the various tests an aircraft has to go through. During the process changes are usually applied after study of the data obtained by those tests.

Second reason is that Bayraktar has a very successful business model and we have seen this in TB2.
Its concept design started in early 2000s and it took several years until the first flight of TB1 which was in 2009. After that, many changes were made concerning the size, wingspan, tail shape etc. which resulted in the very successful TB2 flying for the first time five years later. But even though the TB2 has changed the tides in some conflicts and has been exported to four countries, Bayraktar has already introduced and successfully flew the TB2S. And had announced a different model designated the TB3.

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The most important thing in an aircraft design, manned or unmanned, is that it's aerodynamically stable.
 

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I think you shouldn't worry about the design being old or dated for two reasons;

First one is that it's common in aviation industry that an aircraft would need a relatively long time from design to serial production and that's mainly because of the various tests an aircraft has to go through. During the process changes are usually applied after study of the data obtained by those tests.

Second reason is that Bayraktar has a very successful business model and we have seen this in TB2.
Its concept design started in early 2000s and it took several years until the first flight of TB1 which was in 2009. After that, many changes were made concerning the size, wingspan, tail shape etc. which resulted in the very successful TB2 flying for the first time five years later. But even though the TB2 has changed the tides in some conflicts and has been exported to four countries, Bayraktar has already introduced and successfully flew the TB2S. And had announced a different model designated the TB3.

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The most important thing in an aircraft design, manned or unmanned, is that it's aerodynamically stable.
Bayraktar have done a good job so far but their work has always been within confines of general aviation performance level which is easier to accomplish. When they go to near speed of sound it is a different ball game and the choices of design will make a bigger impact on performance. Well, they will see what's wrong and they will rectify and get better for sure. My comment is on their initial designs that look rather raw compared to some sophisticated designs that we see from other companies. Features such as a stubby nosecone, a crowded empennage and a boxy nacelle need some refining touch.
 
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Bayraktar have done a good job so far but their work has always been within confines of general aviation performance level which is easier to accomplish. When they go to near speed of sound it is a different ball game and the choices of design will make a bigger impact on performance. Well, they will see what's wrong and they will rectify and get better for sure. My comment is on their initial designs that look rather raw compared to some sophisticated designs that we see from other companies. Features such as a blunt nosecone, a crowded empennage and a boxy nacelle need some refining touch.
You're right. I don't think MIUS would be a smooth ride without some big hurdles to overcome. As you said, it's a different thing all together but if the Bayraktar brothers do this with the same passion and dedication they've shown so far, I'm confident that they'll deliver.
I also believe that Turkish Aerospace is going to present a more solid design, however they're more meticulous therefore slower but I think the end result would be a show-stopper!
 

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Second reason is that Bayraktar has a very successful business model and we have seen this in TB2.
A business model which relied on foreigner parts.
If TEI/TAI wasn't pursuing for a local engine, TAI/Aselsan not pursuing for E/O, Bayraktar now would be without an engine and E/O, and will be seeking new foreign partners to provide those parts.
And had announced a different model designated the TB3.
That is why i don't expect a MIUS or HALE, before they complete an actual MALE class, and TIHA with full power. Later we can talk about their dreams to make MIUS.
Taking TB2 as reference for MIUS, is taking Kirpi as a reference for Altay, we have seen how the latter ended up.
 

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You're right. I don't think MIUS would be a smooth ride without some big hurdles to overcome. As you said, it's a different thing all together but if the Bayraktar brothers do this with the same passion and dedication they've shown so far, I'm confident that they'll deliver.
I also believe that Turkish Aerospace is going to present a more solid design, however they're more meticulous therefore slower but I think the end result would be a show-stopper!
Watchful eyes are watching with elevated expectations.
 

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