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I was looking for RCS values of ANKA-3 and did not have found for now. So we can compare it with X-47B, and the result is crazy. Much stealth then F-35, yes better then F-35 :).

 

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ANKA-3 is smaller than X-47B actually, I don't think open nozzle will be affected by ground radars as much as the majority is concerned because it is well concealed from below.
 

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I was looking for RCS values of ANKA-3 and did not have found for now. So we can compare it with X-47B, and the result is crazy. Much stealth then F-35, yes better then F-35 :).

The point you mentioned, that Anka3's radar signature has a lower radar signature than the F35's, is an important capability.

But in my personal opinion, I find it much more important that the Kızılelma Ucav's radar signature is lower than the f35's radar signature.

As you know, air superiority is very important and it is more advantageous to appear late on the radar in the h2 fight.

Considering that there are F35s in Greece, Israel and the British in Cyprus, I think the radar trace of the Kızılelma ucav is very important.

This is my idea.
 

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I was looking for RCS values of ANKA-3 and did not have found for now. So we can compare it with X-47B, and the result is crazy. Much stealth then F-35, yes better then F-35 :).

It's not a field I know much about, but with amateur eyes, the X-47's front section radar optimization seems to be better. I think there will be some minor changes in the silhouette of the aircraft until the ANKA-3 is ready for service.

However, in general, an unmanned flying wing that is so thin and almost entirely made of composite material is almost impossible to notice outside the aircraft's engagement radius. I think the main determining factor here will be the IR footprint. The ANKA-3 is currently using a light class turbofan, which is probably not very powerful, but when an engine over 6000 lbf and a powerful radar are integrated, optimizations in thermal management will be important.
 

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The point you mentioned, that Anka3's radar signature has a lower radar signature than the F35's, is an important capability.

But in my personal opinion, I find it much more important that the Kızılelma Ucav's radar signature is lower than the f35's radar signature.

As you know, air superiority is very important and it is more advantageous to appear late on the radar in the h2 fight.

Considering that there are F35s in Greece, Israel and the British in Cyprus, I think the radar trace of the Kızılelma ucav is very important.

This is my idea.



KE will be not less then F-35...
 

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Any specs for Anka 3 length and its engine power ?
Aslo engine nozzle to both kizilelma and anka 3 is ungly and i think aslo can rise radar cross section just compare it to x47b. For Anka 3 length i did some measures and it seems 8-9 meter x 13-14 meter .
 

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I think the main variants of both Kızılelma and Anka 3 will be the double engine ones, with increasingly more fine-tuned design with lower RCS, higher payload, speeds, etc. The prototypes we see are more like stepping stones towards that goal.
 
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We have seen a model that has gimbal flir, but to deliver gps guided munitions etc it doesn't need that, does it? Like it can still fly and operate in the clean configuration with only internal bays for missions where stealth is most important, I guess. Still would be happier if it had the slot for Toygun.
 

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A larger, tailless ANKA-IV?

I think that one will emerge naturally with TF-6000/10000.

True 6th gen fighter aircraft.

I can't look at the document right now, but if memory serves, the next step is jets with agile, more-stealth and swarm autonomy.

I meant this, guess it applies. We may expect that they will retain the core thus commonality will be high among the platforms.

 

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DIHA looks great. The 5km range laser designator and 7km range laser range finder look juicy. We won't need to risk a TB2 to paint a target for laser-guided munitions. Every artillery battalion and every navy and coast guard ship should have Bayraktar DIHA.
 
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I don't think that's the case. It will be used for dog fights i.e. hunting F-35s 😈
If those posts are talking about the single-barrel gun we saw on the Atak-2 that fires 30x113mm rounds, then it's not suitable for A2A dogfights. If it's a different one that fires a different round then it's a different story.
 

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You know that the Aden and Defa guns on the Mirage fighters and other British fighters used the same caliber?
 

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Does not seem like TB2 will be able to carry 4xKagem. The munition seems to be too big for placing one on each hardpoint.
 

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