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We have a more important problem than CATS Plus. When are these notorius AESA radar tests going to end? They don't need to share the test images, let them share the news "Domestic AESA radar entered the inventory in Akıncı", that is more than enough.
 

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It was not my point. It is possible to mount PT-6 instead of PD-170 especially after TAI starts using stronger wings on Anka-Aksungur. 550hp version of PT-6 might be a better fit. Aksungur is a big UAV and will be able to carry enough payload to high altitudes with PT-6 engines. PT-6 also produces enough electricity to power on-board systems and possible payloads but still, there might be other requirements we don't know like maybe it can't carry a specific payload for whatever reason maybe it is too slow (maybe it is required to be as fast as 350knots at sea level) due to its big wings etc. In the end, there are decisions and trade-offs to make.
Also, there are advantages of turbocharging in piston engines, as you go higher, it is possible to crank up the boost, avoid power losses while it is not possible with turboprop engines. At 30kft O2 density of air is %32 of the sea level. Still, a pd170 can generate 130hp at crank. This is an advantage if you need to carry relatively light payloads at high altitude for longer duration which is main point of aksungur.
 

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I have told it before several pages back, they have modeled the possible landing area of Anadolu, as a fixed plane, in the software they used to train the auto-landing on land strips, with some wind profile suitable but not enough to attain characteristics of winds at sea, nor including island wake of the ship at different angles.

I don't know but i have never seen taking off as an issue there, it is mostly about the landing which was always the challenging part in naval aviation. We need a training - test environment with digital twin of aircraft - ship - environmental conditions to practice design, avionics and pilots - automated landing software. It is upon shoulders of Havelsan to coordinate with respectable companies & institutes to enable this.

So far, and as far as i know, both Baykar and TAI treats landing strip as a fixed - translating object with no island wake or environmental conditions ( wind profile - wave profile ) taken into account. The training should take within a common software environment where whomever is the customer might be able to model their own aircraft.

There is a lot to be done, integrating an aircraft in a vessel that hasn't meant for STOL, that does not have simulations for this case, run available by the designer (Navantia) is a challenging task. Requires cooperation of institutes for experiments, aircraft producer, private sector representatives for the mass amount of simulations regarding to the platform.

Also attempting a trial on Anadolu requires navy personnel to have an instinct of the wind profile and gust winds at the deck due to the island wake. For this, the ship needs to sail, attempt in exercises, operate the whatever available aircraft with pilots and landing-assisting personnel in different weather conditions.
 

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There is some exaggeration and completely ignoring achievements of the other companies.
Milgem and Atak are some of the most important projects getting us where we are, with the sub components made for them by foundation companies. What would happen to Baykar if we didn't have CATS in the works after the embargo?
 

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Milgem and Atak are some of the most important projects getting us where we are, with the sub components made for them by foundation companies. What would happen to Baykar if we didn't have CATS in the works after the embargo?
Baykar would come up with their own product.
 

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All Selcuk bayraktar and comparison posts have been moved to


please carry on discussions there
 

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Baykar would come up with their own product.
Sorry but these need expertise and I am not sure Baykar has that capacity and time for that. Aselsan working on electro-optic systems for years and yet they struggled hard with the CATS. It's not easy as you said.
 

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Sorry but these need expertise and I am not sure Baykar has that capacity and time for that. Aselsan working on electro-optic systems for years and yet they struggled hard with the CATS. It's not easy as you said.
If there were no other solution they would simply start from scratch and do the right things to get to a product unlike what Aselsan did. They could perhaps even move faster than Aselsan. You don't need all that much optics expertise, it is simply a telescope after all, even ameteurs make telescopes.
 

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If there were no other solution they would simply start from scratch and do the right things to get to a product unlike what Aselsan did. They could perhaps even move faster than Aselsan. You don't need all that much optics expertise, it is simply a telescope after all, even ameteurs make telescopes.

You are going beyond your scope of knowledge. Baykar does have an E/O devision for integration and working with OEMs to get a better end product, however it is far from what is needed to develop E/O such as CATS.

Baykar infact in their early years did develop an stabilised E/O turret, but it used FLIR's thermal sensor and was basic in configuration (no laser designator), CATS didn't exist back then and ASELFLIR-300T weighed about as much as the drone. It's one of the reasons why they went into co-operation with WESCAM to use their E/O and become maintenance centre for it.

Anyway, it's the accumulation of a single vision and co-operation which makes the unachievable, achievable. Without Bayraktars successes, Aselsan would have less success with CATS (sold 15 countries used on TB2) and Roketsan would not be building a second facility to churn out more MAM-L for it's new customers.

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