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Russia and the USA will work day and night so other countries cant have such capabilities.

You know why so they can easily bully countries or even invade them with ease.

Turkiye if it followed international law in the independance war.

Our nation would have gotten extinct.

International law is a just good geopolitical tool to use.

You know white Phosphoros is banned but this did not stop the USA or even Israel from using it. USA easily uses some bs loophole while at the same time such weapons are banned for other countries.
 

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Ofcourse but swarm drones poses a real threat to humanity in general. I can kill off the entire world by just purchasing two chinese factories that produces 1 dollar drone. 10billion usd = humans dead 🤯
There already more than enough bullets to kill every human.
There is already more than enough nukes to kill every human.
There is already more than enough knives to kill every human.
The list goes on and on so you get the point.

It is not possible to make swarms of drones illegal as that would be the same as making armies illegal which in essence is just a swarm of soldiers.

what you probably mean is that drones fully determine themselves whom to kill, i.e what people call AI. However, this also problematic as one can always argue that a human already decided when they launched the drone, i.e. it is not much different than a long range missile where the human does not see the target.
 

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You know white Phosphoros is banned but this did not stop the USA or even Israel from using it.
WP is not banned, only its use is limited by targets and usecase. Even then, hard to conduct who was right in an active warzone. We use it as well.
 

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There already more than enough bullets to kill every human.
There is already more than enough nukes to kill every human.
There is already more than enough knives to kill every human.
The list goes on and on so you get the point.

It is not possible to make swarms of drones illegal as that would be the same as making armies illegal which in essence is just a swarm of soldiers.

what you probably mean is that drones fully determine themselves whom to kill, i.e what people call AI. However, this also problematic as one can always argue that a human already decided when they launched the drone, i.e. it is not much different than a long range missile where the human does not see the target.
Thats what I meant. otonomous swarm drones. I dont think there will be a counter for it for the next 100years atleast
 

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There are some friends in the industry who do not understand or do not want to understand how many times I have already written, I will repeat it again.

AKSUNGUR is not ANKA II.

ANKA II is a state-of-the-art unmanned aerial vehicle that will operate at an altitude of 40 to 45000 feet, equipped with twin engines, signals intelligence, electronic attack, jamming (ELINT-SIGINT COMINT) and so on. God willing, you will get to see this beautiful unmanned aerial vehicle later this year :)

I first mentioned it on the defencehub site in November, but nobody considered it.
 

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There are some friends in the industry who do not understand or do not want to understand how many times I have already written, I will repeat it again.

AKSUNGUR is not ANKA II.

ANKA II is a state-of-the-art unmanned aerial vehicle that will operate at an altitude of 40 to 45000 feet, equipped with twin engines, signals intelligence, electronic attack, jamming (ELINT-SIGINT COMINT) and so on. God willing, you will get to see this beautiful unmanned aerial vehicle later this year :)

I first mentioned it on the defencehub site in November, but nobody considered it.
I think it was on the agenda in the forum last October or November , we referred to it with the code name Göksungur, ANKA programme's TP engined family, am I wrong?
 

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There are some friends in the industry who do not understand or do not want to understand how many times I have already written, I will repeat it again.

AKSUNGUR is not ANKA II.

ANKA II is a state-of-the-art unmanned aerial vehicle that will operate at an altitude of 40 to 45000 feet, equipped with twin engines, signals intelligence, electronic attack, jamming (ELINT-SIGINT COMINT) and so on. God willing, you will get to see this beautiful unmanned aerial vehicle later this year :)

I first mentioned it on the defencehub site in November, but nobody considered it.
Where were you the last time we argued? :D :p

I think they should have released Anka3 under its real name, not 3. It is as if they are deliberately trying to stay in the background, how many countries in the world have made such a product? They should have presented it with pomp and festivities. Anka3's name could be Ergenekon, Gökbörü, Erlik, etc.
 

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I think it was on the agenda in the forum last October or November , we referred to it with the code name Göksungur, ANKA programme's TP engined family, am I wrong?
No, that is not the issue, I myself raised an issue that is under development but not many people know about, and I said that TAI is working on unmanned tankers, unmanned radar aircraft, unmanned electronic warfare aircraft and some other unmanned systems, and when it is ready you will hear something in 2023, I said that in November.
 

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I have recently decided to write about these issues on Twitter myself, so here I am less so.

It's not about intentionally keeping the Anka 3 platform in the background, but there have been so many developments in recent months that it has unintentionally remained in the background in our aviation history.
I believe it will and should be given the name and value it deserves.

I agree that such presentations and ceremonies of TAI and its officials should be more spectacular and memorable, but I was not satisfied with the ceremony in general.

There is no country in the world that has developed so many types of aircraft, apart from America, Russia and China. I even take Russia and China out of the equation because one country has a very established aviation industry and the other is a synthesis of billions and stolen technology mixed with our own technology. What we have achieved with limited resources is a success that will go down in world aviation history.
 

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There are some friends in the industry who do not understand or do not want to understand how many times I have already written, I will repeat it again.

AKSUNGUR is not ANKA II.

ANKA II is a state-of-the-art unmanned aerial vehicle that will operate at an altitude of 40 to 45000 feet, equipped with twin engines, signals intelligence, electronic attack, jamming (ELINT-SIGINT COMINT) and so on. God willing, you will get to see this beautiful unmanned aerial vehicle later this year :)

I first mentioned it on the defencehub site in November, but nobody considered it.
In this video, Mr. Temel Kotil says that AKSUNGUR is ANKA-II.

It's at 33:10. I timestamped the video.

 

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Kosovo (XK) map is green with news of TB2 exports to Kosovo.

Screenshot 2023-05-08 at 07-52-28 UAV Exports.png
 

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In this video, Mr. Temel Kotil says that AKSUNGUR is ANKA-II.

It's at 33:10. I timestamped the video.

I believe the designation and renaming is all messed up at this point.

SIGINT - COMINT drone (big brother of Anka-1-Intelligence) meant to be a separate project (called Anka-II) before TAI took initiative and made Aksungur. Aksungur's 2x PD222 (or a stronger version of the PD) is seemed to sufficient for SIGINT - COMINT later (eg. see the Intelligence version of Aksungur actually has decent payload, ESM modules in for ELINT and on-board processing of some sensors). Also satisfies the altitude and endurance requirements with the presumed payload.

Likely they aimed a TP version of Aksungur at some point but then it was shelved for some reason (either the configuration is not allowing efficient installation of TPs or focusing the work force on Anka III).

I don't know what happened with Strategic UAV project of TAI, that was meant to be powered by twin Ukranian TP at the tail. Ibrahim Sunnetci hinted it might be continuing and was too certain in one of the twitter posts that we will see a different design than Aksungur.

Tübitak - Aselsan - TAI continues another intelligence-drone related project that lasted more than a decade. Such projects more relies on the sensor - algorithm providers than the airplane manufacturer.
 

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There is a turboprop UAV project it is alive and kicking. Aksungur performed better than expected so there was an internal discussion should we just mount a TP engine and call it a day or should we use one of our existing studied designs? PD-170 performs better than TAI expected but those two still come short of the requirement of operating at 40 to 45k feet for the high-altitude intelligence drone. It really forces engines and PD-170 can't carry enough payload to that altitude range.

The weight of PD-170 is similar to a 750hp PT-6 turboprop.
 

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I would go with PT-6 is high altitude and more power needed situation (make a version of ANKA-2 like ANKTA-2 TP), for long endurance PD-170 excels again (surveillance model)
 

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A combination like a PD-170 and a turboprop engine working together or one with an electric and piston combo should be evaluated for a high altitude drone. If the mission profile allows for flying at several different altitudes. Electric drive runs no matter how high the altitude and once you are up high it requires way less power to maintain flight. Even the more powerful PD222 OR the new PD-300 may be suitable in this case.
 

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Russian Lancet Kamikaze Drone Is The Most Potent Weapon Of The Current Russian-Ukranian War. It Has Created Havoc To Ukrainian Defenses. I Hope Turkish Army, Companies & SSB Is Taking Notes & Learning From This War. I Feel Turking Is Lagging Behind In Kamikaze Drones At The Moment. They Need Quickly To Catch Up & Lead As It Did With UAV Systems. Best Wishes 😊
 

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Kosovo (XK) map is green with news of TB2 exports to Kosovo.

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When you combine with TAI's drone sales, this reminds me of another map, although very unrelated: The widest sphere of influence of the Ottomanic world order

Ottoman_Empire_World_Map.jpg


Indirectly, and albeit to some extent, it also points to areas of influence that still alive when the Turks made a military breakthrough.
 

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