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[Maximilien Robespierre]

In that vein, so is a B737 AWACS. They are all slow and targets by their nature.

AWACS use diffrent and bigger radars

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

Yes this and akıncı with murad will be the same according to techinicians here, Maybe stop wasting money on akıncı with expensive radar that we should Integrate It into F16s???????? akıncı is a meal for CAP jets

 

[BaburKhan]

AWACS use diffrent and bigger radars

Why we would need Tankers ? They have only Weather Radar, they are big and lass manuverable.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

Why we would need Tankers ? They have only Weather Radar, they are big and lass manuverable.

Maybe because they are the backbones of your air force and more strategic than air to grouns drones? maybe because you need them to do longer CAP or CAs missions? coping mechanism too hard here people would kill themself just for akıncı

try to go libya without tankers OHHH AKINCI WOULDN'T HELP YOU THERE delusional baykar fanboys, when our enemies have jets with aesa radars we are trying to fiddle with akıncı wasting time

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

civilians here think that you put a radar on anything and It goes firing rapidly and shooting down everything that not how Its work.

 

[Radonsider]

this man does NOT understand the concept of diversification of valued strategic assets

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

this man does NOT understand the concept of diversification of valued strategic assets

Diversification of assets delaying a radar for yers only for it to be a put on some slow big rcs drone, that radar costs more than the drone itself stop coping here.

OHH MAYBE THEY COULD MAKE A MINI CHEWAP AESA LIUKE LEONARDO BUT NONO WE'LL F*** UP THE F16s that is waiting murad

 

[Radonsider]

Diversification of assets delaying a radar for yers only for it to be a put on some slow big rcs drone, that radar costs more than the drone itself stop coping here.

OHH MAYBE THEY COULD MAKE A MINI CHEWAP AESA LIUKE LEONARDO BUT NONO WE'LL F*** UP THE F16s that is waiting murad

Akıncı is not the reason why F-16s still dont have MURAD. And no, Leonardo's AESA radar is of no use for Akıncı, unless it is going full JDAMs or smt like that

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

Akıncı is not the reason why F-16s still dont have MURAD. And no, Leonardo's AESA radar is of no use for Akıncı, unless it is going full JDAMs or smt like that

Im saying a compact radar that is designed for Drones would be more cost effective for aksungur or akıncı.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM WHO SAID THAT WE SHOULD COMBINE 3 KAAN ENGINES TO MAKE A MISSILE, It is very hard to argue with this kind mentality.

Im pretty sure there is a project for drone aesa radar that is being done by ASELSAN.

 

[Radonsider]

Im saying a compact radar that is designed for Drones would be more cost effective for aksungur or akıncı.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM WHO SAID THAT WE SHOULD COMBINE 3 KAAN ENGINES TO MAKE A MISSILE, It is very hard to argue with this kind mentality.

Im pretty sure there is a project for drone aesa radar that is being done by ASELSAN.

things you just wrote has no connections to our previous debate. ASELSAN is working on FULMAR for Aksungur and Akıncı, AESA SAR Pod is available for Anka and TB-2

 

[Nutuk]

Finally a piece of good news on Murad! but….

Can somebody explain why on earth you would want a top of the range GaN based expensive Aesa radar on a slow relatively cheap and presumably expendable drone?

I wouldn‘t be surprised if Murad costs more than a third of the value of the Akinci that is carrying it.
GaAs based An/Apg-82 on the new F15-EX costs more than 5.5 million dollars a piece. The hybrid GaN/GaAs based ECRS-Mk2 radar being fitted to all 107 UK Tranche 2 and 3 Typhoons costing 870 million pounds; albeit with upgraded ancillary electronics kits.

The Gokdogan and Bozdogan missiles aren’t cheap either. Also why would you need a WVR a2a missile on a slow drone? If you want to hit other drones, surely, it would be more economical to use Sungur.

It would have made more sense if the Aselsan official had said that;
“The Murad was integrated on to Akinci to test it before fitting it on the F16 Ozgur jets. With this radar the Akinci Drone too, can now launch a series of BVR Stand-off missiles including Gokdogan , SOM-J , KGK. We will be able to use Akinci to direct other drones and target enemy positions and valuable assets by relaying the necessary data to those drones in the field.“

That is where Akinci will be most effective if it has an Aesa radar. To be able to hit moving sea targets with SOM-J from a stand-off distance of 250+ km. It will perform precision strikes on Land targets from a distance of 110km with KGK smart bombs. It can fire BVR Gokdogan to eliminate air targets 100+ km away. And most importantly, it can give very valuable data about battlefield to the control centre.

It is still arguable, if the use of an Aesa radar on a drone like Akinci being an overkill or not . Yet there is an advantage to be had. But with such valuable equipment and ammo on board, it has to stay away from enemy line of fire. I am sure the Turkish armed forces know what they are doing!
We mustn’t, however as the proverb go, behave like “an ignorant man who can’t appreciate good fortune”. (Görmemişin oğlu olmuş, tutmuş…..)

Nice question I like to reply on.

First answer is why not? The Murad radar is not a main system but a subsystem. If there is a need for it and or customers of the Akinci would like to have it, than Akinci is truly unique in the market to carry an AESA radar. Many countries who cannot afford jet fighters could que up for Akinci with AESA radar and AA weapons.
Even if you do not use it in wartime a drone like the AKINCI with powerful AESA radar is a superb platform for patrolling, a radar in the sky with long endurance.

Second follow up will undoubtedly be more capable drones like Kizilelma. I don't know if AESA radar is possible in ANKA-3.

Do not forget that with todays netcentric satellite connected data sharing, drones with radars can be of superb value. We have to capitalize on that. Strange oxymoron is that we are drooling when Israel or USA puts high tech on drones, but somehow some of us question it when Turkiye is pioneering in this.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

things you just wrote has no connections to our previous debate. ASELSAN is working on FULMAR for Aksungur and Akıncı, AESA SAR Pod is available for Anka and TB-2

Test the damn radar on F16 then capische

 

[Radonsider]

Test the damn radar on F16 then capische

thats not exactly how it works, but they are going to do that too

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

thats not exactly how it works, but they are going to do that too

Thats how it works tinkering with akıncı brought us delays after delays, also we do need a testbed aircraft.

Koreans tested their radar on a cargo plane and started jet testing afterwards, Its been years that we tinkering murad on akıncı be realistic stop the cope

 

[godel44]

Thats how it works tinkering with akıncı brought us delays after delays, also we do need a testbed aircraft.

Koreans tested their radar on a cargo plane and started jet testing afterwards, Its been years that we tinkering murad on akıncı be realistic stop the cope

It is hard to extract anything intelligible from your obnoxious tirades but you seem to have an irrational dislike toward Baykar. Their drones are not the only project Turkish defense industry has and Baykar certainly are not responsible for the production of AESA radars. It is also worth pointing out that being scalable to the platform is one of the selling points of MURAD and they might be planning to use a version of the radar with a lower module count compared to what they will use in F16s.

People working on these products are much smarter than you. When something doesn’t seem to make sense to you, it’s more likely that you are missing something rather than everybody else “coping.”

 

[boredaf]

Thats how it works tinkering with akıncı brought us delays after delays, also we do need a testbed aircraft.

Koreans tested their radar on a cargo plane and started jet testing afterwards, Its been years that we tinkering murad on akıncı be realistic stop the cope

Mate, your condescending tone is really wearing thin. You call people "Baykar fanboys" but keep commenting as if you are jilted lover. Pipe the attitude down and go touch some fucking grass.

How the fuck do you know that those delays have been because of Akıncı? What inside information do you have? Who told you that Murad has been "tinkered" specifically for Akıncı?

On another note, do you know why they chose Akıncı as a first test platform? What test they are going to run on it? And why those tests are going to be run on Akıncı? Do you know the exact power output of Akıncı or exact power requirements of Murad? Do you know whether they made any changes to it to accommodate Murad or not? What are your qualifications to decide that Akıncı is not a good test bed for Murad?

Or, do you know why they are not jumping on F-16s straight away? What tests can they run on an F-16 that they cannot run on Akıncı? Are there risks involved? How easy would it be to use an F-16? How long would it need to stay on air?

Do you know what tests are there for them to run? How do you know that we have another plane ready to fly that can be used as a test bed? What are the requirements for a test plane like that?

Who told you that every Akıncı is going to have an AESA radar? Because Baykar have configured their drones differently according to their buyers' wishes before. Or, that it will go against fighter jets? What inside information do you have about how they are planning to use it, as jets are not the only aerial threat and you keep parroting that it is a slow, easy target for jets.

And most importantly, would you be bitching and moaning like this if they were using an Aksungur for these tests instead of an Akıncı?

You are not anymore special or smarter than any other member of this forum because you hate Baykar. You are just like most other people here, looking from outside and commenting. You don't get to insult people or act superior to anyone with a condescending tone. If you are not mature enough to leave the politics to politics thread at least have the bloody decency to keep your comments civil and do not derail threads.

 

[Afif]

Let’s keep it civil people. Impolite and rude languages are not with the spirit of this forum.

 

[Saiyan0321]

Let’s keep it civil people. Impolite and rude languages are not with the spirit of this forum.

Agreed. I deleted some posts and gave soft warnings but i agree. Both sides need to take a deep breath. Yes arguments can be heated but obscenities and personal insults are a no go. This is a great thread and both sides have made great points so continue onwards without getting abusive or personal

 

[Afif]

Does that mean Akinci can drop Pakistani ammunitions?

 

[Huelague]

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Does that mean Akinci can drop Pakiatani ammunitions?

With access to the source code, why not.