TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Oublious]

Test 16..

 

[Sanchez]

Turkey may be requesting using F110 engines in UAVs as well, interesting. Maybe for a bigger KE, or the non afterburner F118 for UAVSOJ or global hawk stand in?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754968910200234302

 

[Heartbang]

Turkey may be requesting using F110 engines in UAVs as well, interesting. Maybe for a bigger KE, or the non afterburner F118 for UAVSOJ or global hawk stand in?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754968910200234302

Delta-wings like Kızılelma do need big-ass engines to overcome the energy bleed issue.

Haven't surprised one bit, low-key wanted it to happen TBH.

This means Kızılelma's place in our air force will be much bigger than we comprehend now.

Mr. Hayrani Öz might need to recalculate @Zafer

 

[dBSPL]

Turkey may be requesting using F110 engines in UAVs as well, interesting. Maybe for a bigger KE, or the non afterburner F118 for UAVSOJ or global hawk stand in?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754968910200234302

I think this claim was also in Flight Global recently. Probably our aim is not just to supply the engine, but to produce the engine under license with broader rights. The first question I have about UAVs is why the F110 and not the F404? The F110 is a bit of a heavyweight engine for the platforms in prototype phase currently. If we want to use the F110 in a UAV, there is probably another airframe that has not been leaked to the press yet. And on a company basis, I tend to associate it more with TAI. Is something big coming? We seem to be entering a period where we will see a lot of new UAVs again...

 

[Nutuk]

I imagine an upscaled bigger ANKA-3 maybe?

That would be an unmanned B-21 level, it's too good to be true

PS B-21 is powered by 2x 27000 lbf engines (but since it is a manned plane lot of space goes lost in the cockpit)

An Anka-3 bigger version unmanned could be similar size with one 29000 lbf engine (Russian Okhotnik has 1x 27000lbf engine)

 

[Nutuk]

@Terminator in another forum has a better theory though on F110 engine with drone:

Could it be that ANKA-4 needs an engine?

 

[Merzifonlu]

Could it be that ANKA-4 needs an engine?

Possible. At least for temporarily.

 

[dBSPL]

@Terminator in another forum has a better theory though on F110 engine with drone:

Could it be that ANKA-4 needs an engine?

Then a UCAV with a higher MTOW than the HÜRJET and a lower MTOW than the KAAN is coming. If it is a twin F110, TAI is directly making a kind of KAAN without cockpit or they are preparing a huuuge strategic platform... But this would really be a fantasy speculation, because if a strategic bomber drone of that size was being developed, there would be news about a non-afterburner engine with higher fuel economy instead of the F110. When I think with the F110, I just no other guess than an agile, supersonic fighter jet.

edit:
I looked at the related news, and I saw that he said during TEKNOFEST in August: "We are continuing with ANKA-3. There will also be ANKA-4. We are in talks with some countries. Our aim is to find partners for these.' I think we had evaluated this on the back pages, so we remembered it again.

Other than that, there are not many details, but it makes us think that ANKA-3 and ANKA-4 are going to follow one right after the other without any gap, and perhaps ANKA-3 is to some extent the technological preparation for ANKA-4. On the other hand, the statement that we are in talks with some countries and trying to find partners for them is also important. If one of the current aviation projects should be kept in a more restricted area in terms of not being opened to external partners as a high strategic asset under all circumstances, my opinion here is that that platform should definitely be ANKA-4.

 

[Trakya_forever]

F110 dry trust is over 17.000 lbf If I remember correctly. It is too big and has so much power for a UAV like Global Hawk. Maybe we are planning to use it for something iike İHA SOJ (UAV EW).

 

[Merzifonlu]

I think they are planning to produce a drone (Anka-4) that uses single F110 engine, is very agile, and is customized only for aerial targets. Anka-3 will be customized for ground targets. Anka-4 will be customized for aerial targets. Both of them can be Kaan's loyal wingman.

 

[uçuyorum]

The problem is if they are planning to use F110 for now what are they gonna replace it with after, TF35000? Or are they betting on acquiring full production license of F110

 

[UkroTurk]

I think TAI has own- Kızılelma like - unmanned fighter project.

 

[boredaf]

If Tusaş "reveals" one more prototype without others going into proper serial production I'm going to lose it. This scattergun approach really starting to feel like it is spreading our resources, both material and manpower, too thin and we are barely getting any real work done.

 

[uçuyorum]

If Tusaş "reveals" one more prototype without others going into proper serial production I'm going to lose it. This scattergun approach really starting to feel like it is spreading our resources, both material and manpower, too thin and we are barely getting any real work done.

We will produce 2 every month

 

[Merzifonlu]

If Tusaş "reveals" one more prototype without others going into proper serial production I'm going to lose it. This scattergun approach really starting to feel like it is spreading our resources, both material and manpower, too thin and we are barely getting any real work done.

Do not worry. Anka-4 is the last platform included in the informatics above, but the prototype of which has not been produced yet. I think TAI will not announce another platform other than Anka-4 for many many years.

 

[Nutuk]

If Tusaş "reveals" one more prototype without others going into proper serial production I'm going to lose it. This scattergun approach really starting to feel like it is spreading our resources, both material and manpower, too thin and we are barely getting any real work done.

Not really, on the contrary it would be the right approax. If TAI can deliver the needs of whole the spectrum:
- Kaan 5th generation multi purpose (mainly Air to air dominance)
- ANKA-3 stealth bomber
- ANKA-4 Loyal wingman that can keep up with the speed of Kaan

It will have a giant impact on the global market where Kaan alone can maybe not compete against F35, KF21.

If ANKA-4 comes true (is speculation for now) than TAI will hit the jackpot

 

[Brave Janissary]

From my side it's for iha-awacs or iha-soj , that kind of big electronics need high powers. If there is a project like kızılelma which confuse aa warfare , thats a wrong movement for turkish defence industry but normal movement for tai.

 

[uçuyorum]

You don't use a low bypass afterburning turbofan for IHA SOJ or IHA AWACS.

 

[boredaf]

Not really, on the contrary it would be the right approax. If TAI can deliver the needs of whole the spectrum:
- Kaan 5th generation multi purpose (mainly Air to air dominance)
- ANKA-3 stealth bomber
- ANKA-4 Loyal wingman that can keep up with the speed of Kaan

It will have a giant impact on the global market where Kaan alone can maybe not compete against F35, KF21.

If ANKA-4 comes true (is speculation for now) than TAI will hit the jackpot

In the meantime, we haven't gotten a T-129 or T-70 delivery in a long time, Gökbey had its deliveries delayed for how long I can't even remember, Kaan's first flight has been delayed, nobody knows what's going on with Hürjet or Hürkuş-2, T-929 "flew" once and disappeared, T-629 was shown in a couple of fairs before disappearing as well, Anka-3 made 1 flight and no news since then.

At some point, I'd rather see things go into at least LRIP or proper serial production and focus on things getting in our inventory, instead of seeing another prototype that is going to be seen once then not to be heard for years. It's a personal preference.

 

[Brave Janissary]

You don't use a low bypass afterburning turbofan for IHA SOJ or IHA AWACS.

That's related a characteristic of radar who used in iha awacs . I think it's could be portable bürfis kind radar behalf of mesa or erieye kind mega radars.