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[YeşilVatan]

Can one differentiate between an 'impostor' and a true F-16 with, say, an algorithm that detects how fake one's signals behave?

 

[Siper>MMU]

Can one differentiate between an 'impostor' and a true F-16 with, say, an algorithm that detects how fake one's signals behave?

One responds to IFF interrogation, the other one doesn't.

 

[Heartbang]

Yes, we do have ceramic lenses that increase the RCS, thats how Şimşek increases its RCS from a near LO number to F-16 levels

Is it indigenous equipment? Or do we export it?

One responds to IFF interrogation, the other one doesn't.

Put IFF equipment on Şimşek then!

 

[Radonsider]

Is it indigenous equipment? Or do we export it?

Put IFF equipment on Şimşek then!

Good question, it is something I don't think that would be hard to nationalise if it gets embargoed, so not really a problem I suppose.

 

[TheInsider]

Dear @TheInsider ,
Is there any rumour about order number? I think we need at least two squadron (24 for it) Kızılelma-A (KE-A). Actually we need to order them immediatly asap, Baykar not a giant defence firm. To open new production line they need funds. With a fair price (15-20 mil USD for each just my personel guess according to Light combat aircraft prices) with included future AI developments and weapon integration agreements, we have to fund 30 percent of total amount of order (110 to 150 mil USD) so they speed up production. Meanwhile they continue to develop KE-A and new weapon integrations. Some of u ask why it is so urgent and funding unfinished project? I try to explain my thouhgts .
Actually As a flying aircraft without weapons and without perfect sensors KE-A still a very perfect weapon. Why?
When we look the Blue Homeland map, we see our border edge near the Girit island. Assume that we send 2 KE-A to patrolling the this area "too far and too near " for them. I mean they dont say nothing legaly they are too far from island but they are too near if they decide to make something. Also it is a good message to them to remind blue homeland belongs to whom. But they have to make something. Probably their decision sending F16 to suppression to KE-As. At the beginning they will show many video to humilate KE-As also for to show their "air superioty" . At here let me to give u some basic knowledge and to make some basic calculations depend on the google search . The Air Force's fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcon multi-role fighters cost $26,927 an hour (*1). At here I have to make an assumption about KE-A operiton cost ( I make this assumption according to Light combat aircraft) will be at least 6th times cheaper then a F16. So In a one year if we make 10000 hour extra flights (approx. 14 hour pair KE-As flight per day), they will to 8000 hour (11 hour pair F16s flight per day). At here in one year they have to spend 215 mil USD extra money compare to 45 mil USD from us. Of course it is not sustainable. Probably in a one year they will decide to buy light combat aircraft and they will buy two squadron Aermacchi M-346FA (Fighter Attack). They already order 10 for training purpose if they dont want to go a logistic hell again they will order it. But what is cost two squadron of them nearly 1.2 billion USD (*2). At here they also try to hire some of them from İsreal but I dont expect its cost cheaper than buying them. Anyway their decision and money. At here I want to underline another thing; logistic nightmare of Greece . My personel speculation (it needs verification may be not true), Their war doctrine prepared for short time conflict, it means although number of planes, is very big acc. to their population but their logistic not . If we increase the flight times, and also flight place (like using second another base) at a point they dont support their logistics. So eventually number of planes ready to flight start to decrease.
Meanwhile, I hope, in a 5 year also KE-B , KE-C (twin engine version) will start to produce. So at this time M-346FAs not enough to face them . Again they will start to send F16s. At here again we can send KE-A whenever we want. They will dont know which version will they faced so they have to send F16s . (At here I feel a bit devious). With my respects.

1) https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...51/cost-per-hour-to-fly-us-military-aircraft/
2) https://aircosmosinternational.com/article/nigeria-buys-two-m-346-squadrons-3162#:~:text=Abuja has just announced an,estimated at 1.2 billion dollars.

Don't expect big numbers. The first order will come in small numbers like the Akıncı. The First 3 Kızılelma-As might be delivered by the end of 2023 or sometime in 2024. I expect a big order of Kızılelma-B in 2025. BTW Baykar is now a big company and Baykar will be a giant company in 2023.

I agree we should start an arms race with Greece. We should also expand our armed forces.

 

[Afif]

Don't expect big numbers. The first order will come in small numbers like the Akıncı. The First 3 Kızılelma-As might be delivered by the end of 2023 or sometime in 2024. I expect a big order of Kızılelma-B in 2025. BTW Baykar is now a big company and Baykar will be a giant company in 2023.

I agree we should start an arms race with Greece. We should also expand our armed forces.

i was curious to know how many Akinci Turkish armed forces ordered?

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

i was curious to know how many Akinci Turkish armed forces ordered?

Good question. According to bayraktar they have the capacity to produce 20 akinci this year. Publically we have seen 7 akinci during the elephant walk photo.Baykar mina will raise the capacity production to 500 tb2, and 40 akinci a year.

 

[Brokengineer]

I agree we should start an arms race with Greece. We should also expand our armed forces.

Did not it start long ago already?

As long as we are not limited by supply, create or supply the demand in the defense market by manufacturing, hell yea, make more and more.

Also, there is a vacuum in the market as long but West using politics to Block sales of many equipments. Turkey used it for its interest in uav sector. There are many more products that can unleash the vacuum in the market.

Competition is not with the Greeks but with big players of the market.
It is lm, nothrop grumman, raytheon, elbit, rafale and so on. Thats why we keep continue while there are still conflict zones where we prove ourselves. West has been geared up so we should be.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Did not it start long ago already?

As long as we are not limited by supply, create or supply the demand in the defense market by manufacturing, hell yea, make more and more.

Also, there is a vacuum in the market as long but West using politics to Block sales of many equipments. Turkiye used it for its interest in uav sector. There are many more products that can unleash the vacuum in the market.

Competition is not with the Greeks but with big players of the market.
It is lm, nothrop grumman, raytheon, elbit, rafale and so on. Thats why we keep continue while there are still conflict zones where we prove ourselves. West has been geared up so we should be.

The companies you iterated are also constrained by US foreign policy which is very restrictive.

A lot of nations will get the chance to have NATO quality weapons without the leash very soon.

 

[TheInsider]

As far as I know, 12 Akıncı delivered so far.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Baykar is fully focused on Kızılelma right now. Looks like it's affecting Akıncı production rates. Baykar's new production facility should change this.

 

[TheInsider]

Baykar is fully focused on Kızılelma right now. Looks like it's affecting Akıncı production rates. Baykar's new production facility should change this.

Akıncı requirement is low. A few dozen Akıncıs will be delivered. Don't expect to see a hundred Akıncı in the TAF inventory.

There are 2 Baykar UAVs flying on Thrace.

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[Baris]

Akıncı requirement is low. A few dozen Akıncıs will be delivered. Don't expect to see a hundred Akıncı in the TAF inventory.

There are 2 Baykar UAVs flying on Thrace.

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KAYI02 seems to be Kızılelma ?
Higher speed, bigger circles

 

[Siper>MMU]

Akıncı requirement is low. A few dozen Akıncıs will be delivered. Don't expect to see a hundred Akıncı in the TAF inventory.

There are 2 Baykar UAVs flying on Thrace.

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At least 40 is needed

 

[TheInsider]

At least 40 is needed

At most 48 will be delivered.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

At most 48 will be delivered.

Cost range for the akinci?

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

The latest situation in the unmanned jet fighter KIZILELMA, which successfully performed its first test flight by staying in the air for 5 hours, was evaluated, and the issues of gaining new capabilities for UAVs were discussed in today's SSIK meeting

 

[Afif]

Cost range for the akinci?

probably around 35/40 millions per Akinci with the full package.

@TheInsider may have more accurate info.

 

[TheInsider]

Decisions are taken for 25 different projects in the SSIK meeting. F-16 modernization will expand to block 40 and 50s.

 

[Afif]

Decisions are taken for 25 different projects in the SSIK meeting. F-16 modernization will expand to block 40 and 50s.

So, looks like those 79 modernization kit procurement plan for block 50s is aborted?