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[Latebra Factum]

KE won't operate alone either bro. Who says we won't network swarm Akıncı's loaded with BVRAAMs, gound based AA and MMU. If other planes get to operate within a system our plane gets that chance too. Let's add decoy UAVs and maybe Anka-III while we're at it.

that's what i'm saying , you can't have a dogfight in this decade , it's a whole network combination vs another , regarding that the US have more potent links and softwares , but you get the idea

 

[YeşilVatan]

that's what i'm saying , you can't have a dogfight in this decade , it's a whole network combination vs another , regarding that the US have more potent links and softwares , but you get the idea

That's what Americans thought at the start of Vietnam war. These assumptions can be dangerous.

Theoretically, you just have to eat the losses and get closer while firing a barrage of your own missiles. Which means;

-ungodly amounts of decoy UAVs
-fighter UCAVs with good autonomy
-Your own 5th gen stealth fighter
-BVRAAM firing 'bomb truck' UCAVs
-Good EW or at least EW resistance

Can it be done? maybe. I'd wager everyone but US would break when faced with this combination.

I'm not an expert though so beware.

 

[Latebra Factum]

That's what Americans thought at the start of Vietnam war. These assumptions can be dangerous.

Theoretically, you just have to eat the losses and get closer while firing a barrage of your own missiles. Which means;

-ungodly amounts of decoy UAVs
-fighter UCAVs with good autonomy
-Your own 5th gen stealth fighter
-BVRAAM firing 'bomb truck' UCAVs
-Good EW or at least EW resistance

Can it be done? maybe. I'd wager everyone but US would break when faced with this combination.

I'm not an expert though so beware.

The US would break ????? How's that , a country with the most advanced fighters and air defenses, missile defenses, EW systems, AEW&Cs , SRADs , BVRAAMs ,the most powerful workforce and economy in the world, the most powerful industrial machine in the world, the most advanced Recon, espionnage, thermal reconnaissance, ISTAR satellites , the most potent C3I,C4I.C4ISTAR and C5I infrastructures, the most secure link in the world :Link 16(MIDS-JTRS) ,the poweful land force in the world,the most powerful naval forces in the world and the most advanced air fleet history with the longest combat experience . All of this isn't enough. And vietnam was a different age, if it was today, Vietnam would fall in a matter of hours

 

[Afif]

That's what Americans thought at the start of Vietnam war. These assumptions can be dangerous.

Theoretically, you just have to eat the losses and get closer while firing a barrage of your own missiles. Which means;

-ungodly amounts of decoy UAVs
-fighter UCAVs with good autonomy
-Your own 5th gen stealth fighter
-BVRAAM firing 'bomb truck' UCAVs
-Good EW or at least EW resistance

Can it be done? maybe. I'd wager everyone but US would break when faced with this combination.

I'm not an expert though so beware.

Bro, no one is outmatching USAF.
Not even in year 2432.

 

[Avanti]

Bro, no one is outmatching USAF.
Not even in year 2432.

400 years ago the USA did not even exist bro that's a very long time especially with how fast things are changing now, what you're saying is silly to be honest. The ottoman empire went from most powerful state in the world to not even be able to control Anatolia in a period of 400 years

 

[Afif]

400 years ago the USA did not even exist bro that's a very long time especially with how fast things are changing now, what you're saying is silly to be honest. The ottoman empire went from most powerful state in the world to not even be able to control Anatolia in a period of 400 years

So, you didnt understand sarcasm?

 

[Heartbang]

So, you dont understand sarcasm?

There are ways to convey sarcasm in written form. Use them.

 

[Heartbang]

so it would inter-operate with other assets (ground-based EW systems , AEW&Cs,space assets, long range artillery...) , it's not like the F-15 will fight on its own ,

Every single weapons system who fought on its own since WW2 has been humiliated on the battlefield. Its called combined arms warfare.

 

[Latebra Factum]

Every single weapons system who fought on its own since WW2 has been humiliated on the battlefield. Its called combined arms warfare.

I know that

 

[YeşilVatan]

The US would break ????? How's that , a country with the most advanced fighters and air defenses, missile defenses, EW systems, AEW&Cs , SRADs , BVRAAMs ,the most powerful workforce and economy in the world, the most powerful industrial machine in the world, the most advanced Recon, espionnage, thermal reconnaissance, ISTAR satellites , the most potent C3I,C4I.C4ISTAR and C5I infrastructures, the most secure link in the world :Link 16(MIDS-JTRS) ,the poweful land force in the world,the most powerful naval forces in the world and the most advanced air fleet history with the longest combat experience . All of this isn't enough. And vietnam was a different age, if it was today, Vietnam would fall in a matter of hours

I said "everyone BUT usa" my friend, read to understand not to respond.

Also my point still stands. Mass aerial combat with 5th gen fighters may not be the "hurl missiles from afar contest" as you are arguing. American mistake in Vietnam was bad fighter design because they made an assumptioon similar to this one.

I say this with all my sincerity, relax about things. Your life is not bound to USAF doctrine being true and their power unmatched. You coming here arguing that Turkish made weapons are inferior in ome aspect in a heated manner does not help anyone. This whole 'style' of arguing is "3000 black jets of Allah" tier. Hope I didn't offend you.

 

[MADDOG]

Relax people. Let us not derail the thread.

 

[Gary]

F-15 will not even see KE in such an engagement. KE will engage F-15 from a safe distance and leave the combat zone after firing its missiles. F-15 will be busy with trying to evade 4 incoming missiles

Yeah, am sure you're talking about the F-15A from 1972

In an engagement, KE B and C would win 9/10 against F-15

Sorry to pop your balloon, the KE B has the AI-322F engine with 40kN thrust, do you know what else in the fighter market has 40kN class thrust ?

Yep the AMX Ghibli

that power generation will affect your power supply for your radars, your ECM, and basically the electronics you plan to install onboard not to mention its flight performance.

The Turkish defence industry has grown so much and I'm happy for them, but please do some research next time.

F-22's electronics are kind of already outdated

The US military is probably the most tech savvy fighting forces that ever exist since Adam and Eve were sent to earth, that means if it is "outdated", they will know better than all of us here in the forum.

They actually has the luxury to retire the most advanced flying objects in the world just because they felt the software no longer cut. So the F-22 being 90s outdated are out of the question. The USAF updated its aircraft more regularly than any air forces exist.

The Air Force Wants to Dump the F-22 Raptor to Make Way for a New Fighter Jet

Should the Air Force retire the F-22 before its replacement arrives?

www.popularmechanics.com

If the F-22 is outdated, then what should we call other planes other than the F-35 out there ?

Most don’t realise just how powerful it’s electgronics are, specifically the avionics suite is. The ALR-94 EW suite are comprised of more than 30 RWR antennas compared to 3–4 RWRs on a typical Fighter. The early ALR-94 could track enemy aircraft from over 250 nmi with an accuracy of 1° by 1° in both azimuth and elevation. Put it short, a single F-22 can passively track an airborne emitter faster and with greater accuracy than 3 Gripen-E or EF Typhoon working together.

While the APG-77v1 are reported to be able to track targets faster than AWACS.

Is F22 the best fighter jet even without stealth?

Abhirup Sengupta's answer: Stealth isn’t a binary entity. Carrying external weapons will degrade RCS but it won’t necessarily remove stealth altogether. As far as performance is concerned, even putting stealth aside F-22 is really a generation ahead of everything else, except the F-35. The F-22’...

www.quora.com

 

[Radonsider]

Yeah, am sure you're talking about the F-15A from 1972


Sorry to pop your balloon, the KE B has the AI-322F engine with 40kN thrust, do you know what else in the fighter market has 40kN class thrust ?

Yep the AMX Ghibli

that power generation will affect your power supply for your radars, your ECM, and basically the electronics you plan to install onboard not to mention its flight performance.

The Turkish defence industry has grown so much and I'm happy for them, but please do some research next time.


The US military is probably the most tech savvy fighting forces that ever exist since Adam and Eve were sent to earth, that means if it is "outdated", they will know better than all of us here in the forum.

They actually has the luxury to retire the most advanced flying objects in the world just because they felt the software no longer cut. So the F-22 being 90s outdated are out of the question. The USAF updated its aircraft more regularly than any air forces exist.

The Air Force Wants to Dump the F-22 Raptor to Make Way for a New Fighter Jet

Should the Air Force retire the F-22 before its replacement arrives?

www.popularmechanics.com

If the F-22 is outdated, then what should we call other planes other than the F-35 out there ?

Most don’t realise just how powerful it’s electgronics are, specifically the avionics suite is. The ALR-94 EW suite are comprised of more than 30 RWR antennas compared to 3–4 RWRs on a typical Fighter. The early ALR-94 could track enemy aircraft from over 250 nmi with an accuracy of 1° by 1° in both azimuth and elevation. Put it short, a single F-22 can passively track an airborne emitter faster and with greater accuracy than 3 Gripen-E or EF Typhoon working together.

While the APG-77v1 are reported to be able to track targets faster than AWACS.

Is F22 the best fighter jet even without stealth?

Abhirup Sengupta's answer: Stealth isn’t a binary entity. Carrying external weapons will degrade RCS but it won’t necessarily remove stealth altogether. As far as performance is concerned, even putting stealth aside F-22 is really a generation ahead of everything else, except the F-35. The F-22’...

www.quora.com

Power generation IS NOT related to engine,

Engine power does limit how much power you can generate but a 6000lbf engine is already enough to power 90kVA generator.


For example TF-X has 2x 120kVA generators on board while F-22 has 2x65, TF-X generates nearly twice the power even though it has less powerful engines.


Also, sentences like "Like AWACS" are pure bs and propaganda, same with Chinese and Russian claims of similar kind

 

[Latebra Factum]

Returning to the topic , i would like to know if the KizilElma will be exported ? Also the Price of the drone . Thanks

 

[Radonsider]

Power generation IS NOT related to engine,

Engine power does limit how much power you can generate but a 6000lbf engine is already enough to power 90kVA generator.


For example TF-X has 2x 120kVA generators on board while F-22 has 2x65, TF-X generates nearly twice the power even though it has less powerful engines.


Also, sentences like "Like AWACS" are pure bs and propaganda, same with Chinese and Russian claims of similar kind

Let's not forget that what i meant by outdated:


F-22's avionics are now probably worse than new EF's and definitely worse than F-35s, and probably even F-15EX

 

[Radonsider]

Returning to the topic , i would like to know if the KizilElma will be exported ? Also the Price of the drone . Thanks

i think yes it will be, Baykar needs money and they get it from exports

 

[Latebra Factum]

i think yes it will be, Baykar needs money and they get it from exports

Really ! I would like to see it with my country's F-16 V , it would serve really good

 

[Latebra Factum]

i think yes it will be, Baykar needs money and they get it from exports

and i suppose the price tag will be between 30-50 million USD right ?

 

[Radonsider]

and i suppose the price tag will be between 30-50 million USD right ?

I guess so

 

[Latebra Factum]

I guess so

cool