TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

Lool

Experienced member
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
2,918
Reactions
13 5,030
Nation of residence
Albania
Nation of origin
Albania
Some1 really need to tell TAI to take a page from Baykar's book about PR. Baykar's PR till this date is phenomenal
 

Ryder

Experienced member
Messages
10,857
Reactions
6 18,707
Nation of residence
Australia
Nation of origin
Turkey
4K footage of the flights


I dont want to go off topic but at times im worried about Baykar after the brothers leave or retire.

We will not live forever there has been numerous cases of companies collapsing after the original founder.

Ferrari after Enzo Ferrari nearly collapsed until his protege Luca Di montezemolo steered the company away from banktrupcy. Lotus fell off especially in F1 due to Colin Chapman not having a proper successor.

I dont want to be doom and gloom but I hope Baykar will thrive with the brothers choosing a good successor for the future.

Hopefully the company is in good hands.
 

Zafer

Experienced member
Messages
4,683
Reactions
7 7,389
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
I dont want to go off topic but at times im worried about Baykar after the brothers leave or retire.

We will not live forever there has been numerous cases of companies collapsing after the original founder.

Ferrari after Enzo Ferrari nearly collapsed until his protege Luca Di montezemolo steered the company away from banktrupcy. Lotus fell off especially in F1 due to Colin Chapman not having a proper successor.

I dont want to be doom and gloom but I hope Baykar will thrive with the brothers choosing a good successor for the future.

Hopefully the company is in good hands.
They are still young around 45, they have a good 30 years of livelihood in them and they will see to the successor matter. But once the Kızılelma does what is expected from it in all its varieties they need to find another big challenge to take on. I suggest they go for biped robots; both for military and civilian.
 

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
2,343
Reactions
79 10,733
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
One another thing to consider for Baykar is after 10+ years, they still act like a startup. Sooner or later that will need to change as they grow larger.
 

begturan

Active member
Messages
93
Reactions
1 164
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Some1 really need to tell TAI to take a page from Baykar's book about PR. Baykar's PR till this date is phenomenal

Baykar is private company TAI is state so Baykar have strong ambitions to expand it is production capacity to reach bigger budget. However TAI only focus on current projects their production capacity already full and they have to focus future projects, if TAF buy anything it is enough advertising for any company all armies would be interest...
 

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
2,343
Reactions
79 10,733
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Great that it will arrive as the guest of honor rather than be a static display.
 

dBSPL

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Ambassador
Messages
2,295
Reactions
96 11,832
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
4K footage of the flights

Especially the last 30 seconds have a very cinematic shooting and editing. I think Baykar is preparing an extraordinary documentary for the KE, ranging from design test phase to aggressive manoeuvring capability demonstration.

edit: Akıncı's balls are enormous.
 
Last edited:

Boykaz

Active member
Messages
73
Reactions
1 265
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
KIZILELMA flying over the sea at 3000 feet ❤️
Screenshot_2023-04-25-12-56-00-807_com.android.chrome.jpg
 

TheInsider

Experienced member
Professional
Messages
4,066
Solutions
1
Reactions
34 14,482
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
A single Kratos XQ-58 Valkyrie only costs $7,750,000 dollars in other words if the Kizilelma or Anka 3 costs more then that is a failure.
Valkyrie is an obese cruise missile(2700kg MTOW) and what you quote is the flyaway cost. It doesn't include sensor payload or weapon payload. It is more like an advanced decoy than an unmanned fighter.
 

Bogeyman 

Experienced member
Professional
Messages
9,192
Reactions
67 31,255
Website
twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey

BAYRAKTAR KIZILELMA LAST SITUATION

🔹The 2 prototypes produced will be exhibited at TEKNOFEST.

🔹The National Unmanned Fighter Aircraft will go into mass production in 2024.

🔹KIZILELMA's flight tests from TCG Anadolu will start in 2025.

🔹 KIZILELMA will be able to operate with smart fleet autonomy.
 

Rodeo

Contributor
Moderator
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
1,330
Reactions
31 5,067
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
The videos of Hurjet's first flight shows how much underpowered KIZILELMA's airframe is. The differences of take-off speed, angle of attack, first flight altitude, landing speed etc. are prominent.
 

YeşilVatan

Contributor
Messages
668
Reactions
16 1,690
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
The videos of Hurjet's first flight shows how much underpowered KIZILELMA's airframe is. The differences of take-off speed, angle of attack, first flight altitude, landing speed etc. are prominent.
I think it's about the engine. KE's current engine is ridiculously underpowered.
 

Agha Sher

Experienced member
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
2,755
Reactions
11 9,303
Nation of residence
Denmark
Nation of origin
Afghanistan
The videos of Hurjet's first flight shows how much underpowered KIZILELMA's airframe is. The differences of take-off speed, angle of attack, first flight altitude, landing speed etc. are prominent.

KE is also a much lighter platform, hence the difference in take-off speed, landing speed/smoothness. But I agree with the rest
 

UkroTurk

Experienced member
Land Warfare Specialist
Professional
Messages
2,684
Reactions
55 4,801
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
The videos of Hurjet's first flight shows how much underpowered KIZILELMA's airframe is. The differences of take-off speed, angle of attack, first flight altitude, landing speed etc. are prominent.
Due-to Length of wings , KE should land slower so KE can't approach at higher speeds. It will cause very hard landing and crush.
 

Rodeo

Contributor
Moderator
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
1,330
Reactions
31 5,067
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
KE is also a much lighter platform, hence the difference in take-off speed, landing speed/smoothness. But I agree with the rest
Due-to Length of wings , KE should land slower so KE can't approach at higher speeds. It will cause very hard landing and crush.

Take-off speed will be slower for KIZILELMA because of the weight difference, true. Lower mass means lower lift-force required to become airborne, hence lower speed. But If you looked at the still images of KIZILELMA and Hürjet, you'd expect the drone to be at least as fast as the trainer. It has such a menacing look. However, when you watch its flight videos, KIZILELMA looks very cool but it moves like a faster AKINCI. Chugging along to pick up speed. It seems off. It cannot be agile with that engine. I hope they integrate the AI-322F to the aircraft this year so we can truly enjoy an unmanned fighter jet both in words and in action.
 

Follow us on social media

Latest posts

Top Bottom