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[Yasar_TR]

As far as I understand, Mr Bayraktar has said “serial production”. Not mass production.
Serial production of a complex machine like a plane is never the same as producing prototypes. You need to get the eco system to feed the production line, ready. You need to straighten out the kinks in production.
There will be many obstacles and hurdles that need to be sorted before a fully fledged KE is in production. This bird is not a TB2 and not the same as Akinci. Akinci is a stable and slow flying machine. KE is an unstable jet engine powered fighter plane with a potentially supersonic airframe. It may be ready for Low Rate Initial Production run trials. But it will still need a lot of tweaking before it is fully combat ready.
Personally I can’t wait to see the engine with after burner fitted to this plane. Especially when the TF10000 is ready. It will be a monster and a game changer level aircraft.

 

[Anmdt]

As far as I understand, Mr Bayraktar has said “serial production”. Not mass production.

There is no difference in Turkish language, i have never seen mass production to be called "toplu üretim", it is always referred as "seri üretim/imalat".
What is going to happen perfectly fits to definition of LRIP as well, the platform has not been, yet, tested by TurAF or TN.

 

[Yasar_TR]

There is no difference in Turkish language, i have never seen mass production to be called "toplu üretim", it is always referred as "seri üretim/imalat".
What is going to happen perfectly fits to definition of LRIP as well, the platform has not been, yet, tested by TurAF or TN.

100% correct.
In Turkish language there is no specific difference.
However, in mass production, the production of article in question is continuous.
In serial production, a specific batch of goods is produced, then there is a downtime. After the downtime, production system may be altered or upgraded and prepared to produce brand-new articles by restarting or stopping altogether until as and when the next order comes in.
As we are communicating in English we should be interpreting his speech within the context he is using, rather than translating it word by word.

 

[B_A]

The Americans have decades of experience with aerospace and aviation that qualify them to make a drone 100x better than KE in the same timespan of KE.

SpaceX did extensive testing that took them around 4 years for the first successful launch before their first mission in 2012 and it was mini NASA cargo mission.

Baykar with 0 experience in the Jet and stealth business announcing that 2024 will deliver KE is utterly ridiculous.

Newcomers defeat the old giant is very normal in the world.

1950-70s,The American and British have decades of experience with Automotive Industry then easily defeated by Japanese.

1990-2000s The Japanese household appliances makers which have decades of experience defeated by Chinese and Korean company.

 

[Oublious]

@YeşilVatan



On the other hand TAI can be trusted with Anka-3 to deliver the expected. TAI have an aerospace manufacturing experience and most importantly they will use what they have learned in KAAN project into the Anka-3.

If the government hold a competition between TAI and Baykar for a drone that fit the same KE capability, honestly who would win ?

Why is ANKA-3 still not flying? What if ANKA-3 never will fly? Or maybe 1 year later?

 

[Oublious]

Our neighbour and ther rental drone...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1694748928539783329

 

[Agha Sher]

Selcuk Bayraktar given a tour on board USS Ford. Meanwhile, TB3 is counting days for first flight.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1694999522638774739

 

[dBSPL]

A new sub-cloud VTOL system:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695136505130291685

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695381400281636925

GÖKHUN is getting ready for duty:
- Positioned between tactical and mini UAVs, GÖKHUN Unmanned Aerial Vehicle System will be able to operate in ship and land-based operations with "the highest payload and endurance in its class".
- 110kg maximum take-off weight
- 18 kilograms payload capacity
- 16 hours in the air with 12 kilograms payload


I think one more system's images will be shared during the day. The experience and know-how accumulated in semi-military and military UAV systems in the tactical-to-mini range, as well as the interest in indigenisation and investment, show that the sector is now on its way to becoming a global supplier. Soon such things will become daily news, and I think it has already started to happen.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695400346611306613

 

[Quasar]

A new sub-cloud VTOL system:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695136505130291685

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695381400281636925

GÖKHUN is getting ready for duty:
- Positioned between tactical and mini UAVs, GÖKHUN Unmanned Aerial Vehicle System will be able to operate in ship and land-based operations with "the highest payload and endurance in its class".
- 110kg maximum take-off weight
- 18 kilograms payload capacity
- 16 hours in the air with 12 kilograms payload


I think one more system's images will be shared during the day. The experience and know-how accumulated in semi-military and military UAV systems in the tactical-to-mini range, as well as the interest in indigenisation and investment, show that the sector is now on its way to becoming a global supplier. Soon such things will become daily news, and I think it has already started to happen.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695400346611306613

ESEN seems to be one of the hidden gems

in addition to the unmanned aerial systems they have, they are also dealing with some important sub systems and products as well, For instance,

• ESEN has confirmed that it has tested its GöRDES Vision-Based Navigation (VBN) system on a range of different UAS (unmanned aerial systems) at altitudes from 1000 to 15,000 feet AGL. The platforms used for the trials included the NATO Class III ANKA MALE (medium altitude long endurance) UAV, as well as Class I small UAS. Althought it is not new or unique the good new is the number of our companies dealing with similar systems or products are increasing and such systems are becaming a common feature.

GöRDES Vision-Based Navigation System provides accurate and real time position, velocity and attitude information for aerial vehicles under GNSS denied conditions via onboard imaging and image processing.​

However, GNSS signals are widely subject to jamming and spoofing under operational conditions. To mitigate this vulnerability, alternative ways of navigation are needed. Thanks to advances in image processing, photogrammetry, and computer vision, studies on image-based navigation systems have come to the fore as complementary systems.​

By using image processing and computer vision algorithms, GöRDES provides position, velocity, and attitude information by matching the previously captured onboard satellite/aerial images with the images taken from the GöRDES camera system of the aerial platform. GöRDES provides accurate positioning and attitude information for aerial vehicles to complete their mission and safely return home.​

 

[Sanchez]

Second TB3 prototype, from Teknofest Ankara.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696547073858945481

 

[boredaf]

Second TB3 prototype, from Teknofest Ankara.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696547073858945481

Wonder when it'll make its first flight.

 

[Zafer]

Second TB3 prototype, from Teknofest Ankara.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696547073858945481

Seems like all three wheels are stearable.

 

[Quasar]

 

[B3H4VE]

Seems like all three wheels are stearable.

If you zoom in a little you can see aft wheels are static.

Scissors on the back are directly connected to main structure without any rotating part. Meanwhile on forward gear rotating ring is visible.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696884547135090862

Temel Kotil confirmed the development of ANKA-4 for air-to-air missions.
"We are negotiating with some countries. Our aim is to find partners in these projects."

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696884547135090862

Temel Kotil confirmed the development of ANKA-4 for air-to-air missions.
"We are negotiating with some countries. Our aim is to find partners in these projects."

Temel Kotil should not lose his focus and leave duplication projects for after completion of existing projects.

 

[Tornadoss]

Temel Kotil should not lose his focus and leave duplication projects for after completion of existing projects.

Why? Eventually, TAI should move forward just with unmanned aircrafts as direction is on that way.

 

[Zafer]

Why? Eventually, TAI should move forward just with unmanned aircrafts as direction is on that way.

Eventually is in the future but not just yet. Complaining about lack of engineers but spreading your efforts over many projects while also duplicating similar efforts like Kızılelma is counterintuitive. TAI has lots of projects at hand which needs to be completed in due time.

 

[Agha Sher]

Anka-3 has not flown yet, in contrast to statements being made about an imminent flight for almost a year.

T-625 has not been delivered yet, in contrast to statements being made about an imminent delivery for almost a year.

Hurkus has not been adopted by Turkiye, due to not meeting requirements.

TAI really needs to focus and stop overextending themselves. Way too many important projects are in their hands.
Forget Anka 4. Make TF-X, Hurjet, Anka-3, T-625 and Hurkus-2 successful products first.

 

[Tornadoss]

Eventually is in the future but not just yet. Complaining about lack of engineers but spreading your efforts over many projects while also duplicating similar efforts like Kızılelma is counterintuitive. TAI has lots of projects at hand which needs to be completed in due time.

What do you think these engineers specialized with UAVS do after completion of Anka 3/4 ? They should continue with uav development. You just want monopoly.