TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Afif]

 

[Shtr]

It seems it had a flight today.

 

[uçuyorum]

It seems it had a flight today.

No video?

 

[Boykaz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1819371726326698173

Yesterday, Baykar showed the 2nd taxi test and what caught my attention in the engine part was that AI-322F was used, as I said.
The engine used is the latest model 30F of the latest AI-322.
In other words, the engine used in Kızılelma is not AI-322F, not AI-322 30, but AI-322 30F.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1819371726326698173

Yesterday, Baykar showed the 2nd taxi test and what caught my attention in the engine part was that AI-322F was used, as I said.
The engine used is the latest model 30F of the latest AI-322.
In other words, the engine used in Kızılelma is not AI-322F, not AI-322 30, but AI-322 30F.

Good observation. AI-322-30F is really new. (2016)

It also has higher thrust. (6600 dry thrust and 11000 wet thrust.)

Though, the main question is, the generators that would power avionics and sensor package. How many KW they can produce?

 

[Radonsider]

Good observation. AI-322-30F is really new. (2016)

It also has higher thrust. (6600 dry thrust and 11000 wet thrust.)

Though, the main question is, the generators that would power avionics and sensor package. How many KW they can produce?

thats up to Baykar or supplier they choose. I guess Volt Teknoloji if they dont go in-house.

 

[UkroTurk]

Is Stiletto coming?

 

[UkroTurk]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1485756736929624064

Could one AI-322-30F lift HÜRJET?
5000kgf equal to 49kN with afterburner?

İmagine two of these monsters on the Hürjet or on the manned KE! 60kN military power and 100kN afterburner!!

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AI -9500F would be great if the engine were tangible.

Could you fit into Hürjet? Seems too long?
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There are images of twin engine TX but too late

Looks very similar to KE!!
Baykar aims a manned Fighter?

 

[Sanchez]

Looks very similar to KE!!
Baykar aims a manned Fighter?

Engine is usually one of the biggest parts of forcing a design to look a certain way.

I really doubt Baykar is thinking about building a manned aircraft in the future. It's different that everything they know and are used to with much, much thinner margins for error, harder to make money with and would steal resources from their actual goals of an unmanned future.

 

[Strong AI]

Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-3

Engine Run and Takeoff Roll Tests

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823255387270766788

 

[boredaf]

Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-3

Engine Run and Takeoff Roll Tests

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823255387270766788

I swear nobody teased as much as Baykar have done in this last year or two since my high school girlfriends. Please, I'm begging for some weapons integration and testing videos Baykar, stop teasing us.

 

[Strong AI]

Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-3

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1825437725480063298

 

[Strong AI]

Having successfully completed its first flight on December 28, 2023, #ANKA III completed another important phase by retracting its landing gear in the air.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1825542711589445720

 

[TheInsider]

Hürkuş II cameo appearance @0:30

 

[Boykaz]

The smoother surface finish compared to the Kızılelma is indicative of TUSAŞ's high manufacturing standards."

 

[Sanchez]

She looks awesome. Look at all those protruding antennas and sensors and the LOS antenna. Got years of development ahead of it to be a true very low observable flying wing. Such a hard task at hand.

Hürkuş II cameo appearance @0:30

Really doubt it, they won't use a prototype as a chase plane.

 

[Strong AI]

Look at all those protruding antennas and sensors and the LOS antenna. Got years of development ahead of it to be a true very low observable flying wing. Such a hard task at hand.

No. TAI built this prototype to test a technology, which is new to them, namely a flying wing. That prototype does not even have an IWB and they use stuff from previous ANKA / AKSUNGUR projects. There is no purpose right now to make this prototype a

true very low observable flying wing

.
IMHO making assumptions like

Got years of development ahead of it to be a true very low observable flying wing. Such a hard task at hand.

over a prototype like this doesn't make sense at all.

Or can you back up your assumptions?

 

[Sanchez]

No. TAI built this prototype to test a technology, which is new to them, namely a flying wing. That prototype does not even have an IWB and they use stuff from previous ANKA / AKSUNGUR projects. There is no purpose right now to make this prototype a

.
IMHO making assumptions like

over a prototype like this doesn't make sense at all.

Or can you back up your assumptions?

A flying wing is not a technology, it's a body design. We know that TAI studied flying wings extensively already with scale models and non flying models.

Anka-3 is presented as a prototype for the future flying wing UCAV, not as a tech/capability demonstrator. Whether you call Anka-3 just a demonstrator and the elusive Anka-4 the real deal, that doesn't change my point of the true VLO flying wing UCAV being years away.

If this current design minus the telemetry gear is close to the end product, Anka-3 will not be a VLO aircraft.

 

[Strong AI]

A flying wing is not a technology, it's a body design.

From ChatGPT:

"Yes, a flying wing can be considered a technology. The term "technology" broadly refers to the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry. A flying wing, which is an aircraft design that lacks a distinct fuselage and tail, relying on its wings to provide both lift and control, is the result of advanced engineering and aerodynamics.

The concept of a flying wing involves sophisticated design principles, materials, and systems that enable it to achieve efficient flight. Innovations in aerodynamics, structural integrity, and control systems are all technological aspects that make a flying wing a viable and efficient design, particularly for applications like military stealth aircraft, where minimizing radar cross-section is crucial.

In summary, the flying wing design embodies multiple technological advancements, making it a distinct and specialized example of technology in aerospace engineering."

We know that TAI studied flying wings extensively already with scale models and non flying models.

You can't compare a scale model to the current prototype.
I only said that the purpose of this current prototype is per se the flying wing technology and not a prototype close to serial production.

 

[Strong AI]

@Sanchez

Let's hear it from the systems engineering manager of the ANKA 3 project himself.

interview about ANKA 3.

Short summary (feel free to correct me):

- The purpose of this prototype is to test the flyability (they already tested it with a smaller model)
- There are many countries, who want to develope this drone together with TAI (because it is not a well-known technology and hard to obtain)
- After this prototype, TAI will apply stealth features, like a hidden nozzle, RAM paint, etc.
- ANKA 3 will be a family of flying wing drones, there will be lighter and heavier versions, as well as a naval version (the idea of a naval version was known during the design phase)
- TAI has no problem to integrate different engines and sensors to ANKA 3 (a big plus for export)
- There will be a version with TOYGUN and AESA radar
- TAI can integrate all kind of sensors to ANKA 3, which they already have integrated to ANKA and AKSUNGUR