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[Agha Sher]

Yes, they eliminated those non stealthy actuators on vartical stabilizers. (And perhaps under the wings also)

Seems like the actuators under the wings are stronger now. Only two flaps per wing compared to a handful before.

 

[Afif]

It would be really cool if KE can be operated from highways with a small logistical footprint like Gripen. Could be an attractive option for BAF. Countries that doesn't have adequate BMD to protect its airbases could then capitalize on this.

One thing I envisioned with KE within a context like ours, apart from it's own BVR capability it could an effective force multiplier for Integrated air and missile defense.

BD army is procuring HISAR O, but one major concern when deploying these systems is the longer its radars stay on, the more vulnerable they become to enemy ISR and targeting.

But with KE patrolling above, if it is networked with ground based IAMD, then air defence batteries could remain passive most of the time relying on stealthy KE to scan for threats form above. Once threats are detected by KE and the information is passed on to AD batteries through data links, they can rapidly switch on their radars and engage the threats, then go dark again within minutes.

Also, given there is always less AD systems compared to the numbers of assets they need to defend, if KE can detect threats from far way, you will get extra reaction time compared to ground based short range detection. Which then can be leveraged to reposition highly mobile AD batteries like HISAR A and Korkut to threats' estimated flight path to Intercept them. Ukranaians did have success in this way against Russian kamikaze drones.

Hence, if KE can be operated from runways like Gripen, then many friendly countries could have entire system of quite effective sustainable defensive counterair capability without the need to invest billions in traditional 4th gen aircrafts like Eurfighter or Rafale and the fixed airbases needed to accommodate them as well as highly expensive BMB capabilities to defend those aircrafts on the grounds.

For example, BD it could barely afford 1x squadron of Eurfighter for approximately $3 billions. And then of course both of our neighbors has hghly capable ballistic missiles. Those precious and highly expensive aircrafts can be destroyed on the ground before it could even get into the fight. So, you either need a patriot or SAMP/T battery for $500-1000 millions. So, we could end up spending $3.5 billions for 1x squadron of 4.5th gen fighters and 1x battery of BMB capable SAM. Yet not nearly enough to have sufficient deterrence.

Instead let's imagine, 4x batteries of SIPER block II (for $300-350 millions each) 32x KE/2x squadron (for $50 millions each) 5-6x batteries of HISAR O for ($80-100 millions each) all networked together could very well hold its ground against a force capable as Indian air force. And this all can be done for the same amount of $3.5 billions.

 

[UkroTurk]

Is there an empty space for pilot seat and canopy?




Why didn't the first prototype have this cover?

@Yasar_TR
Can you notice the difference?

İt seems to me interesting that cover flap is in the special place where pilotseat and cockpit are supposed to be.

Let's keep dreaming manned micro stealth fighter.

Bir taşla iki kuş. Savaş uçağı yapma maliyeti bedavaya gelecek.

İlk prototipte bu kapak gibi şey yok.

 

[Afif]

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Is there an empty space for pilot seat and canopy?

İt seems to me interesting that cover flap is in the special place where pilotseat and cockpit are supposed to be.

Let's keep dreaming manned micro stealth fighter.

Bir taşla iki kuş. Savaş uçağı yapma maliyeti bedavaya gelecek.

Not nearly enough space. It's likely for SATCOM and other comm antennas.

 

[boredaf]

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Is there an empty space for pilot seat and canopy?




Why didn't the first prototype have this cover?

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@Yasar_TR
Can you notice the difference?

İt seems to me interesting that cover flap is in the special place where pilotseat and cockpit are supposed to be.

Let's keep dreaming manned micro stealth fighter.

Bir taşla iki kuş. Savaş uçağı yapma maliyeti bedavaya gelecek.

İlk prototipte bu kapak gibi şey yok.

Mate, you're bordering on obsession with manned KE. Baykar openly rejected the idea. It doesn't even make sense as they would have to design the whole thing from scratch to put in all the necessary equipment in and it is absolutely unnecessary. A manned KE would have no advantage over KE as it is right now.

 

[Kaan Azman]

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My live reaction after realising I have a clear top view of P3 and I can make a remodel...

 

[fushkee]

The canards got smaller, right?

 

[Anmdt]

The prototype will literally run on Akıncı avionics and actuators, but if their plan has not changed the ultimate KE that will go through serial production will have its own actuators and avionics. I once hear they plan to introduce an actuator similar to the ones on fighter planes but this is not my field so i went "whatever".

They have people who can do that, but definitely not the ones who made TALOS.

Told y'all more than a year ago, and i have been claiming since seeing the first prototype that it is more of a technology demonstrator running on available flight computer&avionics&and control tools, a toy rather than an actual prototype.

Now we have got our real KE prototype.

 

[UkroTurk]

Good to know i am not alone who noticed the form of canopy.
Even Tolga Özbek underlined this fact.
"Görüntülerde hava aracının üst bölümüne savaş uçaklarında olduğu gibi bir kanopi çizimi yapıldığı dikkat çekti. Kanopi, kokpitin üzerinde yer alan cam."

There is enough space for a pilotseat and cockpit.

I am sure we will see manned KE variant as i guessed before, Hürjet operating from TCG ANADOLU.

 

[dBSPL]

The KE's front fusalage, the part where the canopy is located in traditional fighter jets, has been considerably enlarged in volume. As can be seen from different perspectives, it has not only been raised vertically, but also expanded horizontally. I will leave the aerodynamic implications to the experts, but with a very simple logic, it should also give important clues about the electronic configuration of the aircraft. In terms of avionics suites, a drone equivalent to a fully up-to-date fighter jet must be being prepared.

In terms of the silhouette of the aircraft, I think the second important detail is the width of the rear fusalage, which suggests that the engine clearance may be suitable for engines with a much larger diameter than the current engine. In my opinion, these two details strengthen the impression that the fuselage of the aircraft is directly designed as a naval jet

In addition, the different perspectives in the 3rd prototype video suggest that the lower fuselage of the aircraft may also contain a very ambitious internal weapon station compared to the total volume of the aircraft. As soon as TR gains access to an upper-medium class fighter jet engine, the KE project could become much more special.

 

[I_Love_F16]

The KE's front fusalage, the part where the canopy is located in traditional fighter jets, has been considerably enlarged in volume. As can be seen from different perspectives, it has not only been raised vertically, but also expanded horizontally. I will leave the aerodynamic implications to the experts, but with a very simple logic, it should also give important clues about the electronic configuration of the aircraft. In terms of avionics suites, a drone equivalent to a fully up-to-date fighter jet must be being prepared.

In terms of the silhouette of the aircraft, I think the second important detail is the width of the rear fusalage, which suggests that the engine clearance may be suitable for engines with a much larger diameter than the current engine. In my opinion, these two details strengthen the impression that the fuselage of the aircraft is directly designed as a naval jet

In addition, the different perspectives in the 3rd prototype video suggest that the lower fuselage of the aircraft may also contain a very ambitious internal weapon station compared to the total volume of the aircraft. As soon as TR gains access to an upper-medium class fighter jet engine, the KE project could become much more special.


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I fail to understand this. What is the point of making an unmanned drone, manned ? That idea doesn’t make sense to me to be honest. More cons than pros.

 

[dBSPL]

I fail to understand this. What is the point of making an unmanned drone, manned ? That idea doesn’t make sense to me to be honest. More cons than pros.

I think you quoted the wrong message. I have the opinion that if experimental studies are going to be carried out with existing projects, it should be in the opposite direction, not to make drones manned. For example, the airframe developed within the scope of the Hürjet (and even Hurkuş) project can be considered to be flown with artificial intelligence in this concept in the future, thus being configured for longer range without life support systems and canopy.

 

[Heartbang]

The KE's front fusalage, the part where the canopy is located in traditional fighter jets, has been considerably enlarged in volume. As can be seen from different perspectives, it has not only been raised vertically, but also expanded horizontally. I will leave the aerodynamic implications to the experts, but with a very simple logic, it should also give important clues about the electronic configuration of the aircraft. In terms of avionics suites, a drone equivalent to a fully up-to-date fighter jet must be being prepared.

In terms of the silhouette of the aircraft, I think the second important detail is the width of the rear fusalage, which suggests that the engine clearance may be suitable for engines with a much larger diameter than the current engine. In my opinion, these two details strengthen the impression that the fuselage of the aircraft is directly designed as a naval jet

In addition, the different perspectives in the 3rd prototype video suggest that the lower fuselage of the aircraft may also contain a very ambitious internal weapon station compared to the total volume of the aircraft. As soon as TR gains access to an upper-medium class fighter jet engine, the KE project could become much more special.


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Is it possible to expedite the TF-35k's test process by strapping one to a Kızılelma prototype?

 

[dBSPL]

Is it possible to expedite the TF-35k's test process by strapping one to a Kızılelma prototype?

I think the TF35K would be too heavyweight for the fuselage of this variant of the KE. But the idea of a fighter drone with a 35K turbofan sounds very sexy. lol. If only.

 

[Boykaz]

What is this ?
what do you think

 

[Nutuk]

missile warning sensor perhaps?

 

[Oublious]

Looks like they are going to fly tomorrow with it another taxi test performed on social media.

 

[uçuyorum]

What is this ?
what do you think
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Looks like one of the F35 apertures

 

[Quasar]

the fact is missile warning sensor doesnt make much sense without any counter measure but I hope in future they will have both missile warning sensor, radar warning reciver and counter measures to enhace their survivability and situational awareness

 

[Oublious]