TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Pilatino]

When will we see our platforms with RAM dye.

 

[Zafer]

When will we see our platforms with RAM dye.

RAM paint is probably the last major alteration after everything else is implemented, there seems to be several more milestones before we get there. There is a Moore's law in project management; "90% of the job takes 90% of the time and the remaining 10% takes another 90% of time", totalling 180% of the planned time. This maybe an old law that does not apply every time but I know that developers want to take more time to make more and more alterations to their product before they hit serial production. I made a simple injection molded plastic tool myself and I made 20 prototypes of it before I was happy about it. In the case of Kızılelma looking at the pace of development so far, I would say a good 3 months is required before the champion dons a new robe.

 

[begturan]

When will we see our platforms with RAM dye.

RAM coating is not something that’s strictly mandatory; it’s more of a solution applied to specific areas where it’s actually needed, and it comes with maintenance and sustainment challenges. The main contributors to stealth are the aircraft’s geometry, surface alignment, and overall design.


Modern composite airframes reduce radar reflections significantly compared to metallic structures, which lowers the need for RAM, but composites are not a one-to-one replacement for RAM. RAM absorbs radar energy, while composites mainly help by reducing reflections.


That’s why on a platform like Kızılelma, which follows a balanced stealth–cost–operational approach, it doesn’t make much sense to apply RAM across the entire airframe. It will most likely be used selectively on critical areas such as the nose, air intakes, and leading edges.

 

[Shtr]

It is not Moore ) Pareto principle and the exact ratio is not 90:10. It must be 80:20 However some businesses use the ratio you shared.

Pareto principle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[uçuyorum]

RAM coating is not something that’s strictly mandatory; it’s more of a solution applied to specific areas where it’s actually needed, and it comes with maintenance and sustainment challenges. The main contributors to stealth are the aircraft’s geometry, surface alignment, and overall design.


Modern composite airframes reduce radar reflections significantly compared to metallic structures, which lowers the need for RAM, but composites are not a one-to-one replacement for RAM. RAM absorbs radar energy, while composites mainly help by reducing reflections.


That’s why on a platform like Kızılelma, which follows a balanced stealth–cost–operational approach, it doesn’t make much sense to apply RAM across the entire airframe. It will most likely be used selectively on critical areas such as the nose, air intakes, and leading edges.

Properly effective VLO requires electrical continuity of the material. Selective application of RAM will only have modest results.

 

[Slayer]

Another Akıncı fighter has gone missing in Sudan.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009328520162603267

This is what combat proven means. Learn, improve and evolve.

 

[YeşilVatan]

We already know how to save our drones from countermeasures (for the most part). Sudanese just employ them incorrectly in my opinion. UAE is more than capable of producing some counter to Akıncı UCAVs. MALE drones need EW and a bunch of other things, this is not 2019 anymore.

And I say this with the caveat that Russians did cope about Pantsirs when we blew them up one by one. Maybe drones are really vulnerable to cheap countermeasures at this point. PKK shot a few of them down by Iranian DIY anti air in northern iraq. Though my understanding is a rudimentary EW pod is enough to counter such threat.

In any case, using standalone platforms in today's battlefield is a fool's errand. Everything needs to be a part of a larger mechanism, covering the weakness of other systems within a well-constructed doctrine. Otherwise you just watch as expensive toys fall from sky.

 

[Afif]

Air force will run hundreds of flights for every single thing. This is another world's first. There are no UCAVs like this in service in anywhere in the world. Maybe Russians' S-70, which didn't fare great in Ukraine.

GJ-11 Mysterious Dragon count? Not exactly KE class but seems to have recieved PLAAF official designation. (Previously sharp sword)

 

[Sanchez]

No less than 5 sorties with KE S1 for "training flights"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019321331767275717

 

[Iskander]

No less than 5 sorties with KE S1 for "training flights"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019321331767275717

I remember five years ago, Erdogan talking about the new Defense Ministry building under construction, claiming it would be much larger than the Pentagon and would strike terror into the hearts of Turkey's enemies...

Now, watching the relentless repetition of these takeoffs and landings, I get the impression that KE seems to be enjoying this game – takeoff, flight, landing. Takeoff, flight, landing...
Who knows!
KE has a mind, albeit an artificial one. But it has no heart. KE will be a fearless, heartless fighter. It will strike terror into the hearts of our enemies
Wow!!!

 

[OPTIMUS]

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2020473887289413901

Wingtip pod for akinci ew variant maybe?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The Kizilelma drone literally cries out for a 16,000 lbf Engine with a dry thrust of 10,000 lbf.

It is incomprehensible why one would develop a 6000/10000 lbf engine... instead of an 10000/16000 lbf engine.

Ultimately, Hürjet also needs an F-404 equivalent.
With an 10000 lbf core and 16000 with afterburner, you can also upgrade into a 12000 lbf dry and 18000-19000 lbf wet Engine for Hürjet & Co.
With the TEI TF-6000/10000, 12000-13000 lbf is the limit; the diameter and length of the engine do not allow for more.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The Kizilelma drone literally cries out for a 16,000 lbf Engine with a dry thrust of 10,000 lbf.

It is incomprehensible why one would develop a 6000/10000 lbf engine... instead of an 10000/16000 lbf engine.

Ultimately, Hürjet also needs an F-404 equivalent.
With an 10000 lbf core and 16000 with afterburner, you can also upgrade into a 12000 lbf dry and 18000-19000 lbf wet Engine for Hürjet & Co.
With the TEI TF-6000/10000, 12000-13000 lbf is the limit; the diameter and length of the engine do not allow for more.

It is easy to criticise the manufacturers. But before doing so, one should look in to why manufacturers of military jet engines concentrate on 6000lbf dry and 10000lbf wet thrust level engines,

Motor Sich, Rolls Royce, Honeywell and TEI all have gone for this level of thrust.

6,000 lbf (pounds-force) dry thrust level for military jet engines represents the ideal "sweet spot" for the next generation of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), advanced trainer aircraft, and light combat aircraft.
This thrust class balances the need for high-performance, supersonic capability in a compact form factor, particularly suited for stealthy, twin-engine, or smaller airframes.
Here is why 6,000 lbf (approx. 26.7 kN) is a key target level:

• Optimal Power for Modern Combat UAVs: This thrust level is perfectly matched for advanced Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles (UCAVs) such as Turkey's Baykar Kızılelma and ANKA-3, which require more power than trainer engines but do not need the massive thrust of a full-sized fighter engine.
• Scalability to Supersonic (Afterburning) Versions: A 6,000 lbf dry engine is frequently designed to be paired with an afterburner, allowing it to easily scale to 10,000 lbf+ (e.g., the TEI-TF10000), covering both subsonic endurance and supersonic combat capabilities in one core design.
• Stealth and Compact Design: At this thrust level, engines can be made compact enough to be "buried" inside the fuselage, reducing the radar cross-section (stealth) and minimizing frontal area, which reduces drag.
• Technological Training and Know-How: Developing an engine in this class serves as a crucial, achievable "stepping stone" for nations aiming to acquire the technical expertise needed to build larger, more powerful fifth-generation fighter engines.
• Versatility in Applications: The core of a 6,000 lbf engine can be adapted into different variants, including turboshafts for 10-ton plus class helicopters, engines for fast attack boats, and electrical power generators.

Examples of this include the Turkish TEI-TF6000, Honeywell F124 & F125, RR Adour and similar engines.

 

[King_West]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2021211888399384631

is there any truth to this?

 

[TR_123456]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2021211888399384631

is there any truth to this?

No source shown so,you decide.

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2021211888399384631

is there any truth to this?

He's probably referring to the new kamikaze drone they've been slowly getting ready to announce.

 

[Oublious]

We can ad another trophy for Akinci, resume is getting better and better...

Chinese FK-2000 destriyed....




congrats..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2021315691719041226

 

[Samba]

We can ad another trophy for Akinci, resume is getting better and better...

Chinese FK-2000 destriyed....




congrats..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2021315691719041226

Would be nice to see the hit...

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Bayraktar Akinci for the gendarmerie..