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Kızılelma is an unmanned fighter, it needs an engine that can be delivered in a short time like 4 years from the beginning of the project. The engine does not need to be 100% mature like the manned fighter engines do. When you want to use the engine on a manned plane you spend more time maturing it but in the case of Kızılelma you just need an engine that delivers the power and stays in the air, so an experimental engine is just fine for Kızılelma. They can even experiment with novel features and fly it once it proves to be durable in flight. So you don't need to be a top notch engine maker to make it. Baykar should keep the design in house but outsource parts making for many of its parts. Also TurAF will probably not be the majority user as there is the Euro market and the rest of the world. You just need to make it available when the customer is ready to buy.
its not easier to test and develop an engine for kizilelma its just that the risk of losing of an airframe is more acceptable because there is no pilot but no one is going to buy 50 million dollar drone with half baked subsytems
 
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its not easier to test and develop an engine for kizilelma its just that the risk of loosing of an airframe is more acceptable because their is no pilot but no one is going to buy 50 million dollar drone with half baked subsytems
What are their options to buy, nada
Your half baked engine maybe having some of the latest innovations that can bring cutting edge capabilities
 
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I was worried after some news claiming that Anka-3's new prototypes will fly at the end of the year but apparently it is still slated for delivery this year.

Ankas development is not yet finished even if they deliver a couple of airframes.
The airforce will test those to see what kind of problems they still have and give feedback and improvements and they will also start weapon certification also the ones we have seen until now are a bit small to be honest.
 
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Unless they redesign it to be a 2 engine drone, or for a bigger engine, what we have seen is likely the limit of Anka-3. It is supposed to use 1 TF6000, there is only so much you can do with that when it comes to size.
That would be Anka 4.
 

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It has to be a bomber,ever seen a fighter in that shape/form(triangle,nothing stickig out)?
Only China's J-36 while flying so far. That's something else, of course. What I meant was unless they want to make Anka-4 a fighter instead of a bomber. Imagine a bomb truck drone built around a single TF35K with massive internal weapon bays. But, a bigger Anka-3 that could carry more payload would obviously be great.
 
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Only China's J-36 while flying so far. That's something else, of course. What I meant was unless they want to make Anka-4 a fighter instead of a bomber. Imagine a bomb truck drone built around a single TF35K with massive internal weapon bays. But, a bigger Anka-3 that could carry more payload would obviously be great.
Why not a twin TF35K engine bigger drone with a dozen of Gazap's? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
 

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Why not a twin TF35K engine bigger drone with a dozen of Gazap's? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
At that point we are going even beyond B-2 with the power mate. Although, we might want to strip the afterburner to lose some weight and not make it a target with the extra heat at any rate. And since Gazap is more or less like a MK84, a drone like that would probably carry dozens of that.
 

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I would like to ask all members to use reputable sites and accepted experts’ views in the forum. It gives better understanding of events and cases as well as not put anyone sharing such articles, in a ludicrous and silly position.
 

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What we have been waiting for a long time is moving forward. Italy to procure TB3 to operate aboard Cavour.

"Speaking before the Italian Senate’s Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee on 25 March, VAdm Berutti Bergotto confirmed that the service is moving forward with the Baykar-developed TB3 system, which is expected to operate from the aircraft carrier Cavour.


“You know that this company has signed a cooperation agreement with Leonardo; therefore, the acquisition will be through Leonardo. It can be integrated on board the Cavour (aircraft carrier). This allows both surveillance and the possibility of carrying armament,” he said.


While the admiral names it as Leonardo, the TB3 Bayraktar can be available via LBA Systems, a strategic joint venture established by Italian industry giant Leonardo, and Turkish drone manufacturer Baykar, which bears the title of the largest unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) exporter worldwide. The statement provides the clearest indication to date that Italy intends to integrate a fixed-wing UCAV into its naval aviation component, complementing existing manned aviation assets and rotary-wing platforms."

 

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What we have been waiting for a long time is moving forward. Italy to procure TB3 to operate aboard Cavour.

"Speaking before the Italian Senate’s Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee on 25 March, VAdm Berutti Bergotto confirmed that the service is moving forward with the Baykar-developed TB3 system, which is expected to operate from the aircraft carrier Cavour.


“You know that this company has signed a cooperation agreement with Leonardo; therefore, the acquisition will be through Leonardo. It can be integrated on board the Cavour (aircraft carrier). This allows both surveillance and the possibility of carrying armament,” he said.


While the admiral names it as Leonardo, the TB3 Bayraktar can be available via LBA Systems, a strategic joint venture established by Italian industry giant Leonardo, and Turkish drone manufacturer Baykar, which bears the title of the largest unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) exporter worldwide. The statement provides the clearest indication to date that Italy intends to integrate a fixed-wing UCAV into its naval aviation component, complementing existing manned aviation assets and rotary-wing platforms."

We need Aselsan to show case and test their sonobuoy launcher for UAVs soon, that is going to turn TB3 into a true ISR monster for LHDs, alongside Fulmar-200, if it ever gets into production phase.
 

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So, is IRST optional or baseline? Does it work with Toygun installed. Is there a power shortcoming to run them both or with the AESA radar? Or does it fit in the nose together with the AESA radar, questions questions.
 

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So, is IRST optional or baseline? Does it work with Toygun installed. Is there a power shortcoming to run them both or with the AESA radar? Or does it fit in the nose together with the AESA radar, questions questions.
2 KE flying as wings... one with karat irst other with aesa murad and they share data with link
 

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So, is IRST optional or baseline? Does it work with Toygun installed. Is there a power shortcoming to run them both or with the AESA radar? Or does it fit in the nose together with the AESA radar, questions questions.
There was a test with Murad + Toygun and I don't think Karat would draw significantly more power than Toygun so space would be the main problem I guess
 

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This is probably the same Karat that will go on Kaan and maybe they can make a version of it that can fit in Kızılelma with no compromise made.
 
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