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[DBdev]

Where is your source for Mach 4.2 for UAV230?
Even Israeli rampage lists speed at Mach 1.1 approaching target. Not much of a threat even with 4 rampages to a modern AD.

 

[MADDOG]

IWB of Kızılelma

 

[Heartbang]

IWB of Kızılelma

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Looks like it can fit 4 Fox-3's with a staggered layout

 

[Hasanrize]

Funny that you say this after canada sanctioning wescams...

Actually, Baykar is not sanctioned, so they still have access to Wescam products—it is Turkiye who was sanctioned.

 

[MADDOG]

ANKA-3

Via Defence Turk

 

[melting]

Amazing

 

[Strong AI]

ANKA-3

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Via Defence Turk

So those photos prove, that this prototype has no IWBs and it is more like a technology demonstrator, to test the flight characteristics of a flying wing design, right?
Or do i not see the forest for the trees?

 

[MADDOG]

So those photos prove, that this prototype has no IWBs and it is more like a technology demonstrator, to test the flight characteristics of a flying wing design, right?
Or do i not see the forest for the trees?

What TAI is doing is fast prototyping. You're correct in a sense. ANKA-3 will evolve over time.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Where is your source for Mach 4.2 for UAV230?
Even Israeli rampage lists speed at Mach 1.1 approaching target. Not much of a threat even with 4 rampages to a modern AD.

If you read my post properly you would see that it is the maximum velocity this missile achieves. Due to it’s lower weight and being ballistic it would have a terminal velocity of just over 1Mach.
Just check page 20 post#394
Israeli rampage missiles have suppressed trajectories and perform manoeuvres to avoid ABMs. That negatively affect their terminal velocity.
Many ballistic missiles reach hypersonic speeds during mid course flight. But are subject to terminal velocity rules. Therefore during free fall they lose speed.
Above YouTube clip may sound far fetched . But considering the fact that we have improved a great deal since we first started producing ballistic missiles, and this missile is being launched from air, it can quite comfortably reach hypersonic speeds at mid course.

 

[Era_shield]

So those photos prove, that this prototype has no IWBs and it is more like a technology demonstrator, to test the flight characteristics of a flying wing design, right?
Or do i not see the forest for the trees?

Hard to say about the IWB's. This could be an ISR variant (there are no EWBs either). It's certainly a prototype though and there will be changes for the production version. It's not a technology demonstrator as the dynamics of a flying wing have already been pretty well characterised for a long time.

 

[Oublious]

interview about ANKA 3.

 

[Oublious]

They are working hard to fly that thing...

 

[Strong AI]

interview about ANKA 3.

Short summary (feel free to correct me):

- The purpose of this prototype is to test the flyability (they already tested it with a smaller model)
- There are many countries, who want to develope this drone together with TAI (because it is not a well-known technology and hard to obtain)
- After this prototype, TAI will apply stealth features, like a hidden nozzle, RAM paint, etc.
- ANKA 3 will be a family of flying wing drones, there will be lighter and heavier versions, as well as a naval version (the idea of a naval version was known during the design phase)
- TAI has no problem to integrate different engines and sensors to ANKA 3 (a big plus for export)
- There will be a version with TOYGUN and AESA radar
- TAI can integrate all kind of sensors to ANKA 3, which they already have integrated to ANKA and AKSUNGUR

 

[Era_shield]

Short summary (feel free to correct me):

- The purpose of this prototype is to test the flyability (they already tested it with a smaller model)
- There are many countries, who want to develope this drone together with TAI (because it is not a well-known technology and hard to obtain)
- After this prototype, TAI will apply stealth features, like a hidden nozzle, RAM paint, etc.
- ANKA 3 will be a family of flying wing drones, there will be lighter and heavier versions, as well as a naval version (the idea of a naval version was known during the design phase)
- TAI has no problem to integrate different engines and sensors to ANKA 3 (a big plus for export)
- There will be a version with TOYGUN and AESA radar
- TAI can integrate all kind of sensors to ANKA 3, which they already have integrated to ANKA and AKSUNGUR

You covered most of it. A few others:

- Avionics are the same as in Anka and Aksungur but with different control law. Code is completely national.
- All systems including Anka and Aksungur have cooperative targeting/engagement with other platforms, manned and unmanned (including Kaan & Hurjet). Whole system is planned like this from the beginning.
- Two IWBs can hold 82/83 series bombs or similar, and maybe Cakir and similar. EWBs can hold 1 tonne. External SOM carriage may be possible.

 

[MADDOG]

It looks like we found our cute little demonstrator

 

[Ahlatshah]

We could use this little fella. I know Baykar has DİHA but this one is much more stealthy. If it can stay in the air for 2-3 hours and with a camera, it would be a great asset. Think about that, a subcloud, stealth, forward observer and designator UAV

 

[dBSPL]

We could use this little fella. I know Baykar has DİHA but this one is much more stealthy. If it can stay in the air for 2-3 hours and with a camera, it would be a great asset. Think about that, a subcloud, stealth, forward observer and designator UAV

 

[Ahlatshah]

Please correct me if I am wrong but Sinsi IHA will be a bigger aircraft. I referring subcloud and much smaller UAV, like this demonstrator. It is already in the air, that means a proven concept, why not develop something very useful out of it?

 

[AzeriTank]

Anka was already a name given to the program. Why would they give it a name again?

YARASA would match so nice as a name which means bat and Turkish

 

[dBSPL]

Please correct me if I am wrong but Sinsi IHA will be a bigger aircraft. I referring subcloud and much smaller UAV, like this demonstrator. It is already in the air, that means a proven concept, why not develop something very useful out of it?

I think you are right, I took a look at the document from 2011, as the Sneaky UAV concept, 8-12 metres wingspan and 7-9 metres length are stated. The maximum take-off weight is given as <6000kg. Therefore, the IHA-7 SİNSİ İHA concept must basically refer to the existing Anka-3 prototype model.

(p.135 http://ercancinar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SSM_İHA_Sistemleri_Yol_Haritası_2012.pdf)

Edit: Also, as reaffirmed in today's ANKA-3 interview of Mehmet Fatih Küçük from Defence Turk, who did a great job as usual, both smaller and much larger scale variants of the current model are also in the planning for future. So I guess we can say that the current aircraft is essentially a technological demonstration and proof of concept. In other words, in addition to the flying wings for more reconnaissance-surveillance and EW purposes in the style you mentioned, we will probably see huge aerial refuelling/penetrator bomber drones with dual 6000 lbs engines in the future.