Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Ryder]

Yes, the world watched and did nothing in previous Russian aggressions. Even now in Ukraine, nobody gets directly involved in the war.

But unlike with Georgia, Ukraine has a chance of winning, so they are getting weapons to defend themselves. Every country that has a capable military should send some help. At least some ammunition for their artillery.

Dudayev warned us

 

[Timur]

The war in Ukraine was a great chance for Turkey to mend its relations with Europe and the US. If Turkey would join the coalition of countries sending heavy equipment to Ukraine, it would send a strong message, that Turkey is an ally of the West, not a neutral power.

What's that a comedy stand up show for beginners? As if wicked EU would honor it... You see how they support us on our Sweden concerns and do their hate propaganda against us they favored Russia over turkey in many cases and teamed up with Russians

You really think this facist Europa would honor something and give value while we can witness how fast they dropped their favorite whore of energy?

Or if they would not sanction us with transmission and motor for that heavy equipment... They made it hard for us so we cannot afford to lose even one..
By the way it must be said that a bloody dictator in Africa receives a helicopter carrier and here we talk about morals..

Or pumping up Greece against us while we face EU US made terrorists in the east? The beloved EU is flying from and over our soil and not sharing the collected data as a nato partner..

Or now the best part as the beloved good caring Germany send some helms we send communication systems, drones ammunition and the French did a great shittalk about our help..

Also besides the hatespeech from Europe and idiotic phobia the only sane country acting calculated is turkey with this even if the results are not always much good we are able to do a talk on both sides of the party..

 

[Kathirz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630209935974834176

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630460967967420416

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630523173128007680

 

[Afif]

@contricusc
Ukraine war is just like another war before it. It is unfortunate, lose of life is always regrettable.
However, the structure of the contemporary global order is based on 'Nation States'.
Where everyone's first and last job to look only and only after their own interests.

So, it is very natural how every nation responding to the matter of 'Ukraine war' in different manners ( based on how they see it fits their national interest the best )

You cannot just go around and tell other countires what to do or not to do about it.
Or demand something that others not legally obliged to provide.

Few days ago in the latest UN resolution to condemn 'Russian invasion of Ukraine' half of world ( by population ) abstain even from the simple lip service of 'condemning'

It should tell you enough about these countries perception of the 'war in Ukraine'

 

[GoatsMilk]

We lost 30+ troops to the Russians and the whole fcking world just watched especially Nato.

The problem for me at that point was not NATO watching, it was the fact that the US and EU were threatening us not to defend ourselves and our nation against the pending onslaught into idlib.

They were actively siding with Russia, Iran, Assad and the PKK against us. They were threatening us with all sorts of sanctions, this was when erdogan basically had to threaten the EU saying if you dont let me stop this, potentially 4 million more refugees flooding into Turkiye, then the refugees will be sent onto europe. If you remember the buses where they were being taken to the border to be sent over to the EU.

The western media demonised us for it all, but what choice did they leave Turkiye? They were trying bury us over Syria treating us as a bigger enemy then Russia or Iran.

By threatening us with sanctions they also emboldened Russia to attack idlib, they made the Russians feel that Turkiye was being pushed into a tight corner with no room to move. Their actions encouraged Russia to act against us.

Thank god this followed.

Neither the US, EU or Russia were expecting such an efficient and vicious style of war from Turkiye.

Also remember before that intervention Assads forces by the west were callled "regime forces" the moment we started destroying them the same media called them "government forces" to legitimise Assad and try to delegitimise Turkish actions.

 

[Mailman]

What's that a comedy stand up show for beginners? As if wicked EU would honor it... You see how they support us on our Sweden concerns and do their hate propaganda against us they favored Russia over turkey in many cases and teamed up with Russians

You really think this facist Europa would honor something and give value while we can witness how fast they dropped their favorite whore of energy?

Or if they would not sanction us with transmission and motor for that heavy equipment... They made it hard for us so we cannot afford to lose even one..
By the way it must be said that a bloody dictator in Africa receives a helicopter carrier and here we talk about morals..

Or pumping up Greece against us while we face EU US made terrorists in the east? The beloved EU is flying from and over our soil and not sharing the collected data as a nato partner..

Or now the best part as the beloved good caring Germany send some helms we send communication systems, drones ammunition and the French did a great shittalk about our help..

Also besides the hatespeech from Europe and idiotic phobia the only sane country acting calculated is turkey with this even if the results are not always much good we are able to do a talk on both sides of the party..

Wow, guys! Hold your horses.

First of all, Türkyie is NATO member and one of the latest triggerers of NATO treaty paragraph 4 in 2021, when Turkish soldiers were killed in an attack from Syria. It is a stretch to position Türkyie outside of this system or somehow confront it. Only who wins from such attitude is Russia. Türkyie is still considered as a valuable member despite everything.

Secondly, there is a significant reason keeping Türkyie out from the EU despite your efforts. This reason is religion. Türkyie made his poposal to join before the last enlargement of EU, which actually increased the christian minded population size significantly. Let's not forget the geographical location of new EU members, quite some of them being members of Ottoman empire before and somehow against it. There was an attempt to write christianity as compulsory element for countries into EU constitution, failed one though. So there are lot of fears related to Türkyie joining EU and some of them created by Türkyie itself. Erdogan latest one-man-show related to supression of political opponents and attempts to reestablish Türkyie as regional superpower only increases such fears among EU citizens. Imagine it has happened inside EU? BREXIT seems now joke compared to it.

Saying so, many of EU leaders do understand that future of Europe is seriously related with Türkyie. It is better to have you in rather than out. And still it is just a very big bite to take and risk of getting choked is high. I do not think Erdogan is doing the right thing here, but he definitely managed to solve this complicated issue for europeans. Perhaps he was right, it is hard to tell.

 

[Xenon54]

Yes, I understand your frustration with Western support for the PKK terrorists, but Erdogan’s hostile attitude towards Greece and the unwillingness to withdraw from Cyprus sends the wrong signal to the EU.

The rhetoric in Aegean is mutual, you just only hear the story from one side, i could make a list of hostile action from Greek side too now but that would go offtopic too much.
As for Cyprus, there are just too many open questions before the issue can be resolved, Turkish side accepted Anna plan mind you but Cyprus is not a new issue and doesnt explain sudden hostility towards Turkey.

 

[Barry]

Yeh there's been what, 17 different schemes to "reunify" Cyprus over the decades, and Turkish Cypriots have voted yes to the majority of them, whilst Greek Cypriots have voted no to all.

We're almost 20 years from the Annan plan failing and 20 years waiting for the EU to follow up it's promises on ending it's inhuman, discriminatory policy of Turkish Cypriot isolation. Still nothing. Just more racist and revisionist rhetoric about "TuRkiSh InvAsioN, OccUpAtioN" despite Europe's own courts recognising Turkish intervention as a just and legal use of their right of Guarantee to safeguard the lives of the island's Turkish-Cypriot population.

You've got to get past the idea that the EU is some bastion of moral righteousness. We shouldn't have to keep bending over backwards to prove ourselves to the white men of Europe, even though we've done everything possible to be good neighbours, be at peace and have engaged with all their mechanisms and plans for reunification. You've got to stop thinking the KKTC = Turkey, that's part of the rhetoric the racists and bigots use to delegitimise our lives on the island. We are Cypriots.

Sorry for going off topic, that'll be the last out of me on this in the thread.

 

[GoatsMilk]

You've got to stop thinking the KKTC = Turkey, that's part of the rhetoric the racists and bigots use to delegitimise our lives on the island. We are Cypriots.

That was the exact same trick the Armenians were doing their best to use against Azerbaijan in the recent war of liberation. It wasn't an Armenia/Azerbaijan issue it was an Islamic Ottoman Turkiye vs Christian west issue. Since the Armenian argument held no water against Azerbaijan they tried to turn the entire issue into one about Turkiye and "muh genocide" nonsense.

Because the argument was simple, Armenia invaded and occupied Azeri lands, committing a genocide which led to a further million Azeris being expled from their homes and lands. The occupation was recognised as such by the United Nations. They had no argument, none. So they did everything to move it towards Turkiye.

Armenians since that war have been gradually upping the genocide rhetoric against Azerbaijan, trying to turn the issue into one of genocide again. more cheap tricks that imperialists who have an issue against Turks will look to capitalise on. Armenians will continue to be used as cheap cannon fodder for the desires of greater powers.

 

[contricusc]

On the topic of Cyprus, I would like to mention that it was Turkey that made two proposals for unification. As far as I am aware Greece has made no such proposals.

The proposals were a joke. You couldn’t expect Greek Cypriots to accept such proposals, despite the EU support for the flawed plans.

A lot of people here blame the EU as being against Turkey, but the EU supported the Annan Plan despite being against Greek Cypriots, because the EU was ready to throw Cyprus under the bus just to “resolve” the problem and move forward. The EU wanted to improve the relations with Turkey, but the demands from Greek Cypriots were just absurd.

In the Cyprus issue, you really can’t blame the EU from a Turkish perspective. The Greeks however can be very upset with how the EU acted.

 

[contricusc]

The rhetoric in Aegean is mutual, you just only hear the story from one side, i could make a list of hostile action from Greek side too now but that would go offtopic too much.
As for Cyprus, there are just too many open questions before the issue can be resolved, Turkish side accepted Anna plan mind you but Cyprus is not a new issue and doesnt explain sudden hostility towards Turkey.

I think the sudden hostility towards Turkey has more to do with the way Erdogan is speaking and acting. His rethoric is extremely aggressive, and he acts like an autocrat, so Europeans don’t trust him.

He has a transactional attitude towards every issue, like threatening Europe with unleashing millions of migrants if they don’t pay protection money. This kind of rhetoric doesn’t get you any friends.

 

[contricusc]

@contricusc
Ukraine war is just like another war before it. It is unfortunate, lose of life is always regrettable.
However, the structure of the contemporary global order is based on 'Nation States'.
Where everyone's first and last job to look only and only after their own interests.

So, it is very natural how every nation responding to the matter of 'Ukraine war' in different manners ( based on how they see it fits their national interest the best )

You cannot just go around and tell other countires what to do or not to do about it.
Or demand something that others not legally obliged to provide.

Few days ago in the latest UN resolution to condemn 'Russian invasion of Ukraine' half of world ( by population ) abstain even from the simple lip service of 'condemning'

It should tell you enough about these countries perception of the 'war in Ukraine'

The way half of the world (by population) acts regarding this war shows the lack of empathy in those countries. If you think your “national interest” trumples other people’s right to leave peacefully in their own country, you shouldn’t be surprised when nobody will care about your own problems.

The UN votes regarding the Ukraine war are an easy way for some countries to embarass themselves and show they have made little progress when it comes to understanding the modern world.

And it surely won’t help their national interests to be identified as unreliable countries that can’t even condemn a blatant aggression of a country with the intention to annex its territories.

Supporting Ukraine is not about being pro-West. It is about having basic human decency.

 

[Baryshx]

Why is there no mention of Greece and Greek Cyprus, the money laundering havens, natural gas and oil transshipment centers of the Russians?

Greece's efforts to almost close the Aegean Sea to Turkiye with the 12-mile line are ignored.

These are the last struggles of Europe, whose population is exhausted and whose demographic structure has changed due to migration. Power, development and progress are shifting to the east. Europe is overestimating itself, the world is changing.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

One year into putin’s 3-day 'Special Military Operation’.
His army has lost 9425 main battle tanks, of which 5995 were destroyed, 270 damaged, 375 abandoned and a total of 2786 captured-making RU the #1 supplier of military vehicles to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630249725172776960

These figures are for the entire equipment loss of Russia, not MBTs, bro.
That being said, these are the visually confirmed losses only, the unreported, undocumented could be double as many or more.

 

[Afif]

The way half of the world (by population) acts regarding this war shows the lack of empathy in those countries. If you think your “national interest” trumples other people’s right to leave peacefully in their own country, you shouldn’t be surprised when nobody will care about your own problems.

There is nothing to be surprised of.

Only those countries will care about my national interest whose interest are aligned with mine.

It is simple as that.

The UN votes regarding the Ukraine war are an easy way for some countries to embarass themselves and show they have made little progress when it comes to understanding the modern world.

Simple lip service won't change anything for Ukrainians. Why then do it and jeopardize my own national interest for practically nothing?

And it surely won’t help their national interests to be identified as unreliable countries that can’t even condemn a blatant aggression of a country with the intention to annex its territories.

Unreliable to whom actually?
Do you think these countries cannot do the basic math of cost-benefit analysis for themselves?

Supporting Ukraine is not about being pro-West. It is about having basic human decency

Right, you know, I was in quest for human decency in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Rakhain for a long time.
But we live in planet Earth and it turned out that so called 'human decency' does not exist in our grand games of geopolitics.

You must be from planet Europe.
I heard everything works there like a garden.

 

[Mailman]

There is nothing to be surprised of.

Only those countries will care about my national interest whose interest are aligned with mine.

It is simple as that.

Simple lip service won't change anything for Ukrainians. Why then do it and jeopardize my own national interest for practically nothing?

Unreliable to whom actually?
Do you think these countries cannot do the basic math of cost-benefit analysis for themselves?

Right, you know, I was in quest for human decency in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Rakhain for a long time.
But we live in planet Earth and it turned out that so called 'human decency' does not exist in our grand games of geopolitics.

You must be from planet Europe.
I heard everything works there like a garden.

Please. All the sudden Europe is quilty of all the sins happening since te end of Ice Age and US is some sort of home of supervillans, hideously and secretly directing Russia to chaos?

I would personally love to live in such world, where Europe has a guts and means to protect Bangladesh from floodings and Türkyie from earthquakes; US is able to give a rise of imperias and then sunk them with ease. Unfortunately I do not have such a privilege, european leaders are bunch of pussies and US has often no clue where they stick their nose in and how these countries operate in the basic level. Not even elementary understanding if to listen their rhetoric about bringing democracy to Afghanistan. Remember, this was a country who loved US for helping them win USSR in 1980-s. What a glorious fuck-up, if I may use this word.

All those fancy games of geopolitics are played mostly in heads of conspiracy theorists who like to see hidden agenda behind everything. Indeed, if try hard enough, it is possible to link everything to everything. Have been there, trying to solve the ultimate question about the world and everything, did not manage much of it and done with it for a good. Pareto rule applies most of cases- the simplest solution to the problem is usually right. Peope, including mysterious superminds from Europe and US, are not able to controle 10% of it (this is really optimistic prognosis) and only sometimes if ever get it right. Blame God or Faith or Satan or whatever mysterious creature and you are much closer to the truth than projecting god-like superpowers to simple people.

But hey, do not let me to distract you. You just need to find and eliminate the guy who is behind of all of this. After that, all your problems are gone forever, huh?

 

[Gary]

The earlier reports on A-50 AWACS is false.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630621273620643841

 

[contricusc]

Only those countries will care about my national interest whose interest are aligned with mine.

That’s a primitive way of thinking that lacks any human values and decency.

Simple lip service won't change anything for Ukrainians. Why then do it and jeopardize my own national interest for practically nothing?

Unreliable to whom actually?
Do you think these countries cannot do the basic math of cost-benefit analysis for themselves?

Supporting Ukraine at the UN matters for Ukraine. It shows their cause is supported by most of the world and it further weakens Russian soft power.

The cost-benefit math you are doing is very wrong. Which countries protested the genocide of the Rohingya people done by the military junta in Myanmar? It was surely not Russia and China (which supports the Myanmar junta).

European countries have no national interst in Bangladesh or Myanmar, but they condemn genocide because it is the right thing to do, not because of national interest.

Right, you know, I was in quest for human decency in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Rakhain for a long time.
But we live in planet Earth and it turned out that so called 'human decency' does not exist in our grand games of geopolitics.

You must be from planet Europe.
I heard everything works there like a garden.

Yes, geopolitics trump human decency in many situations, but you just can’t compare the way Europe and the US act with what Russia is doing, or who Russia and China are supporting. While Europe and the US have left behind the colonial mindset of the pre WW2 world, China and Russia are stuck in the past and still see everything through the lens of might is right.

And no, not everything works like a garden in Europe, but it’s still a much better place than 90% of the rest of the world.