Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631388286248689680

 

[UkroTurk]

An Explosion in Moscow.

Most probably it happened in the factory where İskanders are produced.

 

[contricusc]

Certainly not the likes of China, Iran or any of the list you see below.

I don’t think countries should be proud to be in the same group with China, Iran, Russia, North Korea and Syria. Not the best “neighborhood”.

Pinochet certainly isn't deposing another dictator. Allende is not what you would call a dictator.

True, yet Chile is the wealthiest country in South America because of that.

I could understand why Eastern Europe aren't keen on Russian imperialism, but what I fail to understand is why Westerners can't understand that not all people suffer under Russia and not keen to start suffering for a faraway conflict.

Well, I am from Eastern Europe, so I know what being “friends“ with Russia means. This is why I am trying to explain to people from countries that never had to do with Russia that they are a lot worse than the Americans.

I know that in many parts of the world there is a strong anti-American feeling, and with good reasons in some cases, but the difference with Russia is that they are loved only by people who never had to deal with them.

With the US, you can be a friend, neutral or a foe. With Russia you can be a slave, far away or a foe. The only good relation a country can have with Russia is if it is far enough to not suffer the consequences of their “friendship“.

 

[Gary]

I don’t think countries should be proud to be in the same group with China, Iran, Russia, North Korea and Syria. Not the best “neighborhood”.

U.N isn't about being proud, its about playing the game of international order to suit your interest. You could be in the likes of Iran, Syria and Cuba for one day if it suits you and jump out from that groupings another day if it doesn't suits you. No big deal. It's completely moral.

True, yet Chile is the wealthiest country in South America because of that.

Chile is already the wealthiest country in the Southern Americas by the 1890s and actually stagnates by the time Pinochet came into power. nice try awarding their success to the likes of Pinochet.

But that's for another thread.

 

[Mailman]

U.N isn't about being proud, its about playing the game of international order to suit your interest. You could be in the likes of Iran, Syria and Cuba for one day if it suits you and jump out from that groupings another day if it doesn't suits you. No big deal. It's completely moral.

There is a good saying: hate the game, not the players. There are winners and loosers in any game, as long the game is based on "zero sum": someone has to loose in order to others could win. Yet there is another game mode, called "win-win". This mode does not give you the gains compared to first one, but creates gradual cooperation where all can count themselves winners in the end.
Somehow Russians still do not get it: if you rape Ukrainians, they will not love you back, but they turn Russofobic because of some mysterious reason. The only way of keeping them is to rape them again and again until they forgot who they are.

 

[Gary]

There is a good saying: hate the game, not the players. There are winners and loosers in any game, as long the game is based on "zero sum": someone has to loose in order to others could win. Yet there is another game mode, called "win-win". This mode does not give you the gains compared to first one, but creates gradual cooperation where all can count themselves winners in the end.

By staying neutral its a win-win. You don't get to be labelled supporting Russia, and if you met your Russian counterpart, there's no way you could be accused of helping the West.

Off course there's another math on how int'l relations are done, but I'm being simplistic.

Somehow Russians still do not get it: if you rape Ukrainians, they will not love you back, but they turn Russofobic because of some mysterious reason. The only way of keeping them is to rape them again and again until they forgot who they are.

As much as cruel it might sound but the bolded part actually works. There are many examples where one civilization getting subjugated, but in the end somewhat forget the entire ordeal and goes on to adopt (and love) their invaders.

• Algeria is invaded and ravaged by France, but to this day, after many years of independence , French is widely used and taught in the country.
• Indonesia is colonized by the Dutch, so after we become independent we celebrated it by adopting Dutch laws.
• Taliban for the last 20 years getting stomped and raided daily by the U.S, yet as soon as U.S forces left, they begged the white house to be recognized.
• Japan and its love relations with the U.S after getting nuked twice
• Even to this day in the Baltics, there are Russian sympathizers.

So yes, rape hard enough people will love you. And this is not me trying to start a mockery but there's a truth to what you say. And Russia is clearly not any different to any of that country.

 

[Mailman]

As much as cruel it might sound but the bolded part actually works. There are many examples where one civilization getting subjugated, but in the end somewhat forget the entire ordeal and goes on to adopt (and love) their invaders.

• Algeria is invaded and ravaged by France, but to this day, after many years of independence , French is widely used and taught in the country.
• Indonesia is colonized by the Dutch, so after we become independent we celebrated it by adopting Dutch laws.
• Taliban for the last 20 years getting stomped and raided daily by the U.S, yet as soon as U.S forces left, they begged the white house to be recognized.
• Japan and its love relations with the U.S after getting nuked twice
• Even to this day in the Baltics, there are Russian sympathizers.

So yes, rape hard enough people will love you. And this is not me trying to start a mockery but there's a truth to what you say. And Russia is clearly not any different to any of that country.

I have only one question hereby: is this right?

 

[Nykyus]

So yes, rape hard enough people will love you. And this is not me trying to start a mockery but there's a truth to what you say. And Russia is clearly not any different to any of that country.

Do you think Russia deserves to be ousted from the UN Security Council? Was Indonesia or Ukraine introduced there instead? Because Russia abandoned international rules, committed an act of aggression against a UN member? Ukrainians raised this issue in their conversations.
You say, how did the US attack Iraq, Afghanistan? But like Iraq and Afghanistan still exist on the world map. Iraq tried to annex Kuwait in 1990, for which it was punished.
Libya was at war with the state of Chad in the 1980s. So it's not without sin.
Those countries who voted against the UN are the former Soviet satellites. They are under the illusion that Soviet ideology still prevails in Russia. But in Russia now there is another government that tramples on the Soviet legacy. Therefore, for the internationalism of the Soviet Union, these countries should thank Israel and Ukraine, because these people, Ukrainians and Jews, being part of the Soviet Union, influenced its policy.
Secondly, today's Russia is not capable of negotiations, is not inclined to compromise, that is, it insists only on its own position, the position of an aggressor.
When creating the UN Security Council, the Soviet Union took into account the interests of countries affected by the war, for example, Poland, Czechoslovakia. These European borders were established in the course of Soviet-Anglo-American negotiations. Today's Russia creates unrecognized states around its borders: Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia. That is, it infringes on neighbors by the right of force, uses double standards: for example, it supported separatism in Ukraine, suppressed separatism in Chechnya. Other countries cannot openly recognize such a position at the international level. This is called the old imperialist war, that is, a return to the old world before the First World War.
Therefore, Russia cannot act as an impartial arbiter in a dispute. China is also not impartial, because it wants to upset the international balance and makes an arms race.
We can say that the reason for the aggression was the expansion of NATO - the military alliance of Western countries to the east. Putin also suspects that the Americans financed the 2013 Orange Revolution in Ukraine, a conspiracy theory to force Russia out of Ukraine and overthrow the pro-Russian president in Ukraine, Yanukovych.
But why does Russia enjoy an extremely negative attitude towards its neighbors? None of the neighbors, except Armenia, is interested in relations with Russia? Those countries that abstained from voting: Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan abstained because they are part of the CSTO, but none of these countries will send their troops to help Russia. The population of these countries is extremely anti-Russian, with the exception of Armenia, unrecognized states holding on to Russian bayonets: Transnistria, Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, until recently the Luhansk People's Republic, the Donetsk People's Republic.

Perhaps Indonesia wants to be on the side of China, Russia, Iran? Is it possible that Indonesia is interested in Chinese investments in order to create all sorts of schools, roads, hospitals, and infrastructures with Chinese money? Indonesia cannot remain neutral when China's expansion in the Asia-Pacific region formed the AUCUS coalition to stop their expansion: Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Australia, India, Vietnam.

 

[MaciekRS]

Leopards are coming

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631625133033943042

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631618053091000322

 

[Era_shield]

2nd video of drone vs A-50 AWACS. This time it lands on the dorsal electronics complex and seems to explode. A 3rd video is said to be coming. Sorry for the reddit link, I haven't seen it on Twitter yet:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/11gwvqv

 

[contricusc]

Chile is already the wealthiest country in the Southern Americas by the 1890s and actually stagnates by the time Pinochet came into power. nice try awarding their success to the likes of Pinochet.

But that's for another thread.

Argentina and Uruguay were wealthier, and the success of Chile is not because of Pinochet, but because they avoided socialist leaders. Stagnation would have been a blessing for Venezuela instead of having Chavez and Maduro.

All Latin American countries that had Marxist leaders ruined their economies. Chile was saved from that, but it is never too late, as they voted a Marxist last year.

 

[Gary]

Do you think Russia deserves to be ousted from the UN Security Council? Was Indonesia or Ukraine introduced there instead? Because Russia abandoned international rules, committed an act of aggression against a UN member? Ukrainians raised this issue in their conversations.
You say, how did the US attack Iraq, Afghanistan? But like Iraq and Afghanistan still exist on the world map. Iraq tried to annex Kuwait in 1990, for which it was punished.

Ousted or not, for me its irrelevant. If you oust them, they'll be more erratic in their foreign policy conduct. Think about a European North Korea, where they don't even put any effort to "pretend" going along with the int'l order. The UN security council is never about keeping the international rules. Not with the current Veto of 5 where their power is so big from among the 5, it should be classified as abuse.

Using your logic, Ukraine would have still existed after getting absorbed by Russia. If a year ago Russian conquest of Ukraine was swift, we will be likely seeing the same model used in Iraq. Set up a new government, independent only by name but reports directly to its conqueror.

Libya was at war with the state of Chad in the 1980s. So it's not without sin.

I'm not a fan of the likes of Libya, Iraq or such, but here's the thing, If past invasion is to be a justification in wars of conquest, then there should be an international coalition of force removing the likes of France after their atrocity in Algeria, or against Belgium in their atrocity in Congo.

By 2003, Iraq is no longer a threat, its armies has been degraded by years of sanctions. But one thing stands, that is its government is undemocratic. So that thing justified the West to go on with the invasion instead.

By the 2000s, Libya complied with demands to remove their nuclear program, their army and air force is no longer powerful enough to be classified as an aggressor state, nothing of danger could have come from the country against the so called international order really. yet as soon as the West finds a loopholes in the form of civil war, they instantly used that loopholes to do government removal.

And oh don't forget Panama...

All of which resemble the same spirit in which the Russians entered Ukraine, which is the removal of the Zelensky government and install the people of their choosing and the ideology/government model of their liking instead.

Those countries who voted against the UN are the former Soviet satellites. They are under the illusion that Soviet ideology still prevails in Russia. But in Russia now there is another government that tramples on the Soviet legacy. Therefore, for the internationalism of the Soviet Union, these countries should thank Israel and Ukraine, because these people, Ukrainians and Jews, being part of the Soviet Union, influenced its policy.

Algeria, Bangladesh are not former Soviet satellites...

Secondly, today's Russia is not capable of negotiations, is not inclined to compromise, that is, it insists only on its own position, the position of an aggressor.
When creating the UN Security Council, the Soviet Union took into account the interests of countries affected by the war, for example, Poland, Czechoslovakia. These European borders were established in the course of Soviet-Anglo-American negotiations. Today's Russia creates unrecognized states around its borders: Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia. That is, it infringes on neighbors by the right of force, uses double standards: for example, it supported separatism in Ukraine, suppressed separatism in Chechnya. Other countries cannot openly recognize such a position at the international level. This is called the old imperialist war, that is, a return to the old world before the First World War.
Therefore, Russia cannot act as an impartial arbiter in a dispute. China is also not impartial, because it wants to upset the international balance and makes an arms race.
We can say that the reason for the aggression was the expansion of NATO - the military alliance of Western countries to the east. Putin also suspects that the Americans financed the 2013 Orange Revolution in Ukraine, a conspiracy theory to force Russia out of Ukraine and overthrow the pro-Russian president in Ukraine, Yanukovych.
But why does Russia enjoy an extremely negative attitude towards its neighbors? None of the neighbors, except Armenia, is interested in relations with Russia? Those countries that abstained from voting: Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan abstained because they are part of the CSTO, but none of these countries will send their troops to help Russia. The population of these countries is extremely anti-Russian, with the exception of Armenia, unrecognized states holding on to Russian bayonets: Transnistria, Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, until recently the Luhansk People's Republic, the Donetsk People's Republic.

look here, the justification of NATO expansion as dumb as it might sound actually sound quite rational when you see it from Moscow's perspective. Forced or voluntarily, for the Tsar in suits in the Kremlin, the blue map of NATO looks increasingly creeping on them.

And no great power will tolerate any other great power getting too close with them. The U.S has the Monroe doctrine which insist that no outside power should have any influence of importance in the entire Americas.
Why do you think the Sino-Japanese war of 1898 and Russo-Japanese war of 1905 started in the first place. Isn't it because the protagonist are getting uneasy about the presence of other great power getting to close to their hoods.

For Japan, Korea is like a dagger pointed at the hearts of Japan (source), the same would be true from the perspective of Moscow, which is Ukraine is a dagger pointed in the hearts of Moscow.

Off course I'm not championing Russia whatsoever, but I'm writing this from the perspective of realpolitik.

Perhaps Indonesia wants to be on the side of China, Russia, Iran? Is it possible that Indonesia is interested in Chinese investments in order to create all sorts of schools, roads, hospitals, and infrastructures with Chinese money? Indonesia cannot remain neutral when China's expansion in the Asia-Pacific region formed the AUCUS coalition to stop their expansion: Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Australia, India, Vietnam.

If Indonesia is smart they will do everything that suits them at the U.N pending the international order collapses by its own.

Indonesia has some sort of profit form the global order of the the day, true. But it's not what you call a winner, but merely a follower of the order. Indonesia is better off course with the current global order to support its growth, but what if the likes of China win and the global order are re-written once again ?

For us, it will be quite annoying, but in the end Jakarta will likely adapt its foreign policy to survive the storm. Not quite sure what will be the ramifications for the Western powers losing influence to China in the Pacific. From the look of it, it will be painful to say the least.

Think about the U.S as Andrew Tate. Rich and powerful, you could do everything you want, sleep with all the girls you like and then overnight all those benefit evaporate overnight if China wins. I think the biggest looser if China wins is not us but them.

But that's for another thread.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631618053091000322

These Russians are nutters, start a full fledged invasion of another nation while also indiscriminately bombing its citizens, cities and infrastructure while abducting the nations children, then claim the war was started against Russia.

These evil clowns have zero shame, no wonder they constantly murder each other.

 

[MaciekRS]

Russians, its white, thay say its black

 

[GoatsMilk]

Russians, its white, thay say its black

Its a shame they didn't laugh for much longer and louder.

But it really reveals the level of arrogance of the russian political establishment, they find it impossible to believe that the world doesnt believe them. Yesterday the same clown was calling it a special military operation, today he claims the war was started against Russia.

 

[Relic]

New $400 million military aid package for Ukraine announced by the USA . We're still waiting on the exact contents from DND, but it's expected to include...

- Additional GMLRS for HIMARS.
- Additional 155mm artillery shells.
- Additional 120mm mortar shells.
- Additional 25mm ammo for Bradleys.
- Bridge laying equipment.
- Demolition equipment.

More to follow...

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631629698458431493

 

[Ecderha]

new russian junk tank candidate for turret tossing competition

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631722922103513092

 

[NEKO]

Cheap drone managed to damage expensive AEW&C plane.