Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Ryder]

Ahh here comes the coward who can't even press the reply button. misplaced ? Which part is misplaced ? The only reason you and your brigade calls it terrorism is the fact that you have a particular disdain for that country. If your country or any of the country you sympathize with does the same, that will not be a problem.

The thing is the very manual of airpower and its applications are derived from people's like Douhet and Mitchells thought, the very basic standard of which your country air force and every other are built upon. Simply because when airpower was introduced, due to technical limitaitions unless you're US, UK, France , Italy and Germany every other country is mostly watchers and onlookers, that means the science of airpower itself is based on these people thoughts and the country which they served and other simply adopted it. Yes its very much an attack on civilian and intentional, but that's war and that's how everybody conducts one. Irrelevant of what color the country is.

Russia doing it is simply them and their effort of following this manual, simple as that. If following that manual is terrorism, then every air force in existence are terroristic in nature,You don't like that ? that's your problem pal.

Modern Warfare itself actually blurred the line of combatants and non combatants. Treated both the same.

Not to say in Ancient times, Medieval times early modern period that civilians were not targeted as we can see in sieges that civilians were targeted to cause maximum carnage.

War is bloody and destructive and brings out the worst in people.

We always call the ancient or medieval times as barbaric because they use swords and spears while we have bombs that can kill hundreds to millions in one go.

 

[Relic]

New USA defense package for Ukraine has been announced. The value of the package is in excess of $300 million USD. Contents of the package include the following...

- Additional Avenger anti-aircraft systems.
- Additional PAC 2/3 Patriot air defense missiles.
- Additional AIM-7 Sea Sparrow missiles for BUK air defense systems.
- Additional Kamikaze drones.
- Additional Stinger anti-aircraft systems.
- Additional GMRLS for HIMARS
- Additional 155mm artillery shells.
- Additional 105mm artillery shells.
- Additional 105mm tank rounds.
- Additional ZUNI aircraft rockets.
- Additional AT-4 anti armor rockets.
- Additional Aerial drone munitions.
- Additional 30 million rounds of small arms ammunition.
- Demolition munitions for obstacle clearing.
- Night vision devices.
- Spare parts, generators and equipment.

Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine

The Defense Department announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs.

www.defense.gov

 

[Mailman]

Ahh here comes the coward who can't even press the reply button. misplaced ? Which part is misplaced ? The only reason you and your brigade calls it terrorism is the fact that you have a particular disdain for that country. If your country or any of the country you sympathize with does the same, that will not be a problem.

The thing is the very manual of airpower and its applications are derived from people's like Douhet and Mitchells thought, the very basic standard of which your country air force and every other are built upon. Simply because when airpower was introduced, due to technical limitaitions unless you're US, UK, France , Italy and Germany every other country is mostly watchers and onlookers, that means the science of airpower itself is based on these people thoughts and the country which they served and other simply adopted it. Yes its very much an attack on civilian and intentional, but that's war and that's how everybody conducts one. Irrelevant of what color the country is.

Russia doing it is simply them and their effort of following this manual, simple as that. If following that manual is terrorism, then every air force in existence are terroristic in nature,You don't like that ? that's your problem pal.

Is there a possibility for you, Gary, that world has changed during last centuries? Mongols looted and pillaged greatly in Europe and Russia 800 years ago, but does this really justify the means and methods used today by Russia in Ukraine?

 

[Ryder]

Is there a possibility for you, Gary, that world has changed during last centuries? Mongols looted and pillaged greatly in Europe and Russia 800 years ago, but does this really justify the means and methods used today by Russia in Ukraine?

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Boundaries shift, new players step in; but power always finds a place to rest its head.

 

[Dmitry]

Russian blogger tells how Russian propaganda destroys families. Since 2014, I have heard many stories about quarrels in Russian families, as well as a break in relations between relatives in Ukraine and Russia. In 2022, this problem has become even more urgent.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Do you actually read anything anyone writes

yeah it just seems to me like a lack of comprehension skills. The completely unrelated tangent of pointing out how other nations and other empires have done similar acts has no bearing whatsoever on what i was saying. Its completely irrelevant.

Now if they want to argue with each other over that, that's fine, but its got nothing whatsoever to do with what i was saying. Absolutely nothing.

Whether americans, english, french, turks, iranians, indians, chinese drop bombs on civilians or rape their citizens, its evil terroristic shit. Now even if all of them do it in war, its still evil and morally wrong.

Like i said in the past as much as i'm a proud Turk, you can never really ever justify imperialism or empire. But that topic is too big to discuss here. But this quote generally sums up my personal opinion on war.

"Unless a nation's life faces peril, war is murder." MK Ataturk.

Let alone the acts of genocide, rape, torture, abduction of children etc, its all evil and morally corrupt. And when it comes to such things Russia is near the top.

 

[Gary]

Modern Warfare itself actually blurred the line of combatants and non combatants. Treated both the same.

Not to say in Ancient times, Medieval times early modern period that civilians were not targeted as we can see in sieges that civilians were targeted to cause maximum carnage.

War is bloody and destructive and brings out the worst in people.

We always call the ancient or medieval times as barbaric because they use swords and spears while we have bombs that can kill hundreds to millions in one go.

I see you understand what this is all about.

The gist of these people's argument is always 'hey but it happens in X timeframe, we're no longer in Y timeframe, it is no longer acceptable'. Them equate everything to the contemporary, masking it as 'modern times'.

These people are the kind of people that finds itself mega shocked that slavery existed and continue to exists. These are the very same people that when they saw the statue of colonialists like Colombus, instead of understanding what is the situation of the world when Colombus first colonialize America's, decide to torn it up. Yes he's pretty much a savage, but then the world is pretty much full of savages at the time of his living.

Times comes and pass by, but the basic of human needs remained the same, the need to multiply, the need to grow and expand, the need to provide etc. Human doesn't stop having sex just because sex itself comes from the human being after all right ?

War is the best medium/breeding ground of radicalism and extreme conduct, yet for these poobah's they masked their disdain for a particular country by putting their heads in the sand, calling it barbaric for the current times, yet if they EVER find once that their country is doing the same, they will find all sorts of justifications to do so. I have been in multiple war thread in this forum and I know what people's opinions are in regards to war, and depends who is the party of war they're either angels preaching rights or just a bunch of cheerleaders cheering for more destruction.

So yes, you're pretty much right with the examples of the sword and the bomb. Tools are no way to distract the intent. in the mid century tehy use catapult to torn walls added with siege's to cripple the population, in today's world they use bombers and all sorts of methods including sanctions to cripple the will of the opposing population. Like we saw with Russia wrt to Ukraine, and the West wrt to Russia.

Simple as that, but then not all people understand or willing to understand, because they're so full of ignorance masked behind whatever excuse they invent

 

[Gary]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Boundaries shift, new players step in; but power always finds a place to rest its head.

There has yet to be...since WW2, that wars are humane and full of flowers, Europe where Mailman lives are kinda peaceful, but not evrywhere else which wars erupted every few years and increased in savagery. Maybe this explains their shock when war suddenly erupts in the borders of Europe.

In fact I see nothing out of the ordinary of the Russians and their conduct of war. Whatever they do now, I saw somewhere else done the same in Libya, Syria,Iraq etc

 

[contricusc]

Europe where Mailman lives are kinda peaceful, but not evrywhere else which wars erupted every few years and increased in savagery. Maybe this explains their shock when war suddenly erupts in the borders of Europe.

Maybe it’s because Europe has become more civilized than in the past, and we no longer accept the barbarism of war. In Europe we managed to achieve free travel between countries (without needing a passport) while 75 years ago we were murdering each other like psychopaths.

We find the Russian invasion and tactics unacceptable because they remind us of our dark past that we want to leave behind for good.

We know very well that this barbarity continues to happen in countries like Lybia, Ethiopia, Myanmar or Yemen, but we find it unacceptable to do this in Europe, because we Europeans no longer do this stuff.

 

[Gary]

Maybe it’s because Europe has become more civilized than in the past, and we no longer accept the barbarism of war. In Europe we managed to achieve free travel between countries (without needing a passport) while 75 years ago we were murdering each other like psychopaths.

We find the Russian invasion and tactics unacceptable because they remind us of our dark past that we want to leave behind for good.

We know very well that this barbarity continues to happen in countries like Lybia, Ethiopia, Myanmar or Yemen, but we find it unacceptable to do this in Europe, because we Europeans no longer do this stuff.

The term 'civilized' in European terms maybe. The standard of civilized itself differs from civilizations, peoples. For example the civilized European entrenched and state enforced homosexualism, people on the other side of the world would find it disgusting and belongs to the jungle.

Do not equate your freedom of travel = civilized, the Arab caliphate of the 7th-12th century requires no passports for the many little "kingdoms/emirate' citizens to travel in between from Persia to Morocco, from Antolia to Yemen etc. Yet wars are very common even back then.

In fact the very reasons why people now need to travel using passports is a result of European experiments with ideas like nationalism which they spread through conquest all over the world, the local maritime southeast asia never really understand the concept of nation states until the Europeans introduced it, and now people from Malaysia need passports just to cross the Malacca strait and meet with their Malay relatives in Riau, Indonesia. This is a disaster of European makings. At some point it will come back to Europe, as Ukraine war shows now.

So yes, just because Europe finds it unacceptable, because most likely the people living in Europe now were born after the horrors of WW2, doesn't mean the concept of conquest, wars, pillage itself is obsolete. its pretty much just as relevant in Ukraine NOW just like it was in Western and Central Europe during the period from WW2 and before it.

What ? you think the laws of physics differed in Europe ?

 

[Ecderha]

Ukraine army teaching putin soldiers how to become cosmonaut. You can Fly, Fly toward the sky...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664647576941985792

 

[Ecderha]

putin strategy .
He is calling herself Master strategist.
He is doing fail after fail and more failures....

putin army from second strongest in the world. To second strongest in Ukraine. Soon to be second strongest in russia.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664626732849143809

 

[UkroTurk]

The Second in Ukraine: Blinken trolled the Russian army

The Kremlin has often claimed to have the second strongest army in the world - and many believed it. Today, many consider the Russian army to be the second strongest in Ukraine," Blinken said.


US to help Ukraine build 'army of the future' - Blinken


This means a modern air force, integrated air and missile defense, modern tanks and armored vehicles, national capabilities for the production of ammunition, as well as training and support to strengthen the combat readiness of forces and equipment," Blinken explained.


Armed Forces of Ukraine repelled 15 attacks in three directions - General Staff
Ukrainian aviation attacked eight areas of concentration of Russian troops, as well as two anti-aircraft missile systems.





Since the beginning of the day, the Ukrainian military has repelled 15 attacks by Russians in the Donbass and Kharkiv region, and also dealt almost 20 strikes against them. This was reported by the General Staff in the evening summary on Friday, June 2.

General Milley: tanks are the main force for the success of Ukraine

The American Abrams tanks, which the Ukrainian military has begun to master, will not be ready for a counteroffensive, but will be decisive in the long run in order for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to completely drive the Russians out of the occupied territories.

This was stated by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States, General Mark Milley, reports Associated Press. He explained that the tanks are needed to push Russian troops out of Ukraine, and the F-16 fighters will be part of a long-term plan to deter future attacks.

“You can look at World War II, and some of the biggest tank battles in history were actually fought on Ukrainian soil,” Milli said. “So tanks are very important for both defense and offensive, and modern tanks, training, ability to control them, will be fundamental to Ukraine's success."

 

[Mailman]

There has yet to be...since WW2, that wars are humane and full of flowers, Europe where Mailman lives are kinda peaceful, but not evrywhere else which wars erupted every few years and increased in savagery. Maybe this explains their shock when war suddenly erupts in the borders of Europe.

In fact I see nothing out of the ordinary of the Russians and their conduct of war. Whatever they do now, I saw somewhere else done the same in Libya, Syria,Iraq etc

In other words, nothing has changed and nothing will change in the future.

Can You, please, tell me then, when the history started? Did it started with the invasion of evel West (England and alike) into East or East (mongols) invading the West? Who is to blame starting this vicious cycle, spiralling out in Ukraine at the moment?

 

[Ecderha]

russian view of the world.
Torture, Rape, Kidnapping children, Thievery, Killing, Destroying.....
russians are proud of doing it.
russians believe it that this right things to do

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664161632350502913

 

[Gary]

In other words, nothing has changed and nothing will change in the future.

Correct, it is what it is.

In Africa whenever a children dies of bombing, a mother cried
In Ukraine whenever a children died of bombing, a mother will also cried
In Syria, you see enemy combatants, you shoot
In Donbass, you hear someone speaking Russians. you direct your artillery fire to the source of the sound.

There's no difference at all on how human 'operate' under similar circumstance. Certainly barbarism of war doesn't suddenly operate in different mode just because it happens on European soil.

The situation that Ukraine finds itself now is proportional to the amount of resistance they offered, the Russian commanders simply reply to the evolving situations.

During early in the war, Russian missile strikes are directed against munitions warehouse, airbase and tarmacs, it didn't work to their plan as they wish, so they start bombing Ukraine's electricity, when it becomes clear that it doesn't work either and situations are fast becoming like sh*t, they start bombing apartments in the hope of destroying the enemy will to fight, the same tactics used very successfully in Syria and in accordance to the airpower theory of bombing the enemy to submissions.

This is how military evolves, regradless of the color of the flag.

have you start bombing their air base ? Check​

does it work ? NO​

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Why not try bomb their electricity then ? Check​

does it work ? NO​

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Why not bomb the population centers then ? Check​

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And so on.....................​

Can You, please, tell me then, when the history started? Did it started with the invasion of evel West (England and alike) into East or East (mongols) invading the West? Who is to blame starting this vicious cycle, spiralling out in Ukraine at the moment?

Not in this thread.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664690175656579076

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664690175656579076

These Russian war criminals literally look like Hollywood movie villains.

 

[Gary]

Another proof of Russian terrorism, T-90M shooting at...something

Donbass, May'23

 

[Barry]

Let it go mate you look pathetic af