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The more things change, the more they stay the same. Boundaries shift, new players step in; but power always finds a place to rest its head.
There has yet to be...since WW2, that wars are humane and full of flowers, Europe where Mailman lives are kinda peaceful, but not evrywhere else which wars erupted every few years and increased in savagery. Maybe this explains their shock when war suddenly erupts in the borders of Europe.

In fact I see nothing out of the ordinary of the Russians and their conduct of war. Whatever they do now, I saw somewhere else done the same in Libya, Syria,Iraq etc
 

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Europe where Mailman lives are kinda peaceful, but not evrywhere else which wars erupted every few years and increased in savagery. Maybe this explains their shock when war suddenly erupts in the borders of Europe.

Maybe it’s because Europe has become more civilized than in the past, and we no longer accept the barbarism of war. In Europe we managed to achieve free travel between countries (without needing a passport) while 75 years ago we were murdering each other like psychopaths.

We find the Russian invasion and tactics unacceptable because they remind us of our dark past that we want to leave behind for good.

We know very well that this barbarity continues to happen in countries like Lybia, Ethiopia, Myanmar or Yemen, but we find it unacceptable to do this in Europe, because we Europeans no longer do this stuff.
 

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Maybe it’s because Europe has become more civilized than in the past, and we no longer accept the barbarism of war. In Europe we managed to achieve free travel between countries (without needing a passport) while 75 years ago we were murdering each other like psychopaths.

We find the Russian invasion and tactics unacceptable because they remind us of our dark past that we want to leave behind for good.

We know very well that this barbarity continues to happen in countries like Lybia, Ethiopia, Myanmar or Yemen, but we find it unacceptable to do this in Europe, because we Europeans no longer do this stuff.

The term 'civilized' in European terms maybe. The standard of civilized itself differs from civilizations, peoples. For example the civilized European entrenched and state enforced homosexualism, people on the other side of the world would find it disgusting and belongs to the jungle.

Do not equate your freedom of travel = civilized, the Arab caliphate of the 7th-12th century requires no passports for the many little "kingdoms/emirate' citizens to travel in between from Persia to Morocco, from Antolia to Yemen etc. Yet wars are very common even back then.

In fact the very reasons why people now need to travel using passports is a result of European experiments with ideas like nationalism which they spread through conquest all over the world, the local maritime southeast asia never really understand the concept of nation states until the Europeans introduced it, and now people from Malaysia need passports just to cross the Malacca strait and meet with their Malay relatives in Riau, Indonesia. This is a disaster of European makings. At some point it will come back to Europe, as Ukraine war shows now.

So yes, just because Europe finds it unacceptable, because most likely the people living in Europe now were born after the horrors of WW2, doesn't mean the concept of conquest, wars, pillage itself is obsolete. its pretty much just as relevant in Ukraine NOW just like it was in Western and Central Europe during the period from WW2 and before it.

What ? you think the laws of physics differed in Europe ?
 
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The Second in Ukraine: Blinken trolled the Russian army
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The Kremlin has often claimed to have the second strongest army in the world - and many believed it. Today, many consider the Russian army to be the second strongest in Ukraine," Blinken said.


US to help Ukraine build 'army of the future' - Blinken


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means a modern air force, integrated air and missile defense, modern tanks and armored vehicles, national capabilities for the production of ammunition, as well as training and support to strengthen the combat readiness of forces and equipment," Blinken explained.


Armed Forces of Ukraine repelled 15 attacks in three directions - General Staff
Ukrainian aviation attacked eight areas of concentration of Russian troops, as well as two anti-aircraft missile systems.





Since the beginning of the day, the Ukrainian military has repelled 15 attacks by Russians in the Donbass and Kharkiv region, and also dealt almost 20 strikes against them. This was reported by the General Staff in the evening summary on Friday, June 2.


General Milley: tanks are the main force for the success of Ukraine

The American Abrams tanks, which the Ukrainian military has begun to master, will not be ready for a counteroffensive, but will be decisive in the long run in order for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to completely drive the Russians out of the occupied territories.

This was stated by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States, General Mark Milley, reports Associated Press. He explained that the tanks are needed to push Russian troops out of Ukraine, and the F-16 fighters will be part of a long-term plan to deter future attacks.

“You can look at World War II, and some of the biggest tank battles in history were actually fought on Ukrainian soil,” Milli said. “So tanks are very important for both defense and offensive, and modern tanks, training, ability to control them, will be fundamental to Ukraine's success."
 
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There has yet to be...since WW2, that wars are humane and full of flowers, Europe where Mailman lives are kinda peaceful, but not evrywhere else which wars erupted every few years and increased in savagery. Maybe this explains their shock when war suddenly erupts in the borders of Europe.

In fact I see nothing out of the ordinary of the Russians and their conduct of war. Whatever they do now, I saw somewhere else done the same in Libya, Syria,Iraq etc
In other words, nothing has changed and nothing will change in the future.

Can You, please, tell me then, when the history started? Did it started with the invasion of evel West (England and alike) into East or East (mongols) invading the West? Who is to blame starting this vicious cycle, spiralling out in Ukraine at the moment?
 

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In other words, nothing has changed and nothing will change in the future.
Correct, it is what it is.

In Africa whenever a children dies of bombing, a mother cried
In Ukraine whenever a children died of bombing, a mother will also cried
In Syria, you see enemy combatants, you shoot
In Donbass, you hear someone speaking Russians. you direct your artillery fire to the source of the sound.

There's no difference at all on how human 'operate' under similar circumstance. Certainly barbarism of war doesn't suddenly operate in different mode just because it happens on European soil.

The situation that Ukraine finds itself now is proportional to the amount of resistance they offered, the Russian commanders simply reply to the evolving situations.

During early in the war, Russian missile strikes are directed against munitions warehouse, airbase and tarmacs, it didn't work to their plan as they wish, so they start bombing Ukraine's electricity, when it becomes clear that it doesn't work either and situations are fast becoming like sh*t, they start bombing apartments in the hope of destroying the enemy will to fight, the same tactics used very successfully in Syria and in accordance to the airpower theory of bombing the enemy to submissions.

This is how military evolves, regradless of the color of the flag.

have you start bombing their air base ? Check
does it work ? NO
Why not try bomb their electricity then ? Check
does it work ? NO
Why not bomb the population centers then ? Check
And so on.....................​



Can You, please, tell me then, when the history started? Did it started with the invasion of evel West (England and alike) into East or East (mongols) invading the West? Who is to blame starting this vicious cycle, spiralling out in Ukraine at the moment?
Not in this thread.
 

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Are you serious or is this a joke?
I need to follow #thecurrentthing by labelling all forms of military operation as an act of terrorism.

Here's 152.4 mm of terrorism in Donbass shooting at...something.

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Another proof of Russian terrorism, T-90M shooting at...something

Donbass, May'23

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You had better share the images of MLRS launcher that aimed at my building and my neighborhood. Sitting next to computer is comfortable. For sure the imperialist state which shelling residental areas is also terrorist state.
 
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You had better share the images of MLRS launcher that aimed at my building and my neighborhood. Sitting next computer is comfortable.

How is that a credible answer to my criticism of your post #21886 in the first place ?
 

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