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LegionnairE

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By that definition nobody is helping anybody, everyone is looking for interest.
But in the end of the day you look whos interest is helping you and that alone is help too.
If you get weapons in a dire situation do you decide not to use them just because it was provided out of interest or do you say thanks and take it as it is?

It is what it is, most of west threw Ukraine under the bus, only a few are standing up for them.
Still, if you look at how much we helped Qatar, to call this help really seems generous.

We stationed Turkish troops in Qatar, we put lives of our people in danger. What happened in Ukraine is just business.

As I said, business.
 

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When we look you posts. All of them show that you are russian sided.
What is this now "hope the Russians don't destroy"!
What changed you mind ?
Because the last thing we need is the Russians killing Polish people. NATO nations should stay out at this point. Russia would have every justification to destroy the equipment on the road and even inside NATO territory. Putin said 'don't interfere' and to date he has backed up his words. And as I have said before I am anti-USA, anti-NATO, anti-EU. Russian sided because of that. Plus there are 2,000 British troops in the Baltic states, I don't want them getting mopped up by the Russians because the Polish decided to send ammo to the Ukraine government which the Russians are about to overthrow.
 

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There is a chance Kiev could become like Grozny.

Grozny was once the most bombed city in the planet. Look at the ruins of the city everywhere was destroyed.

Kiev is a beautiful city.
 

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Still, if you look at how much we helped Qatar, to call this help really seems generous.

We stationed Turkish troops in Qatar, we put lives of our people in danger. What happened in Ukraine is just business.
I wouldnt think about such details if i was an Ukrainian right now and knowing that the supplies coming to my country are from a number of countries that can be counted with one hand.

And TB2 have been Russias biggest nightmare in recent battlefields so its not something to underestimate either, in fact they have been course changing in three big battlefields against Russian hardware.
 
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And TB2 have been Russias biggest nightmare in recent battlefields so its not something to underestimate either, in fact they have been course changing in three big battlefields against Russian hardware.
Not here, it's pretty much a non-factor when SU35s are flying about. Russia says they have already shot down 5 of them, the rest might have been destroyed in hangars or runways during the initial cruise missile strikes.
 

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Still, if you look at how much we helped Qatar, to call this help really seems generous.

We stationed Turkish troops in Qatar, we put lives of our people in danger. What happened in Ukraine is just business.


As I said, business.

Because Erdogan is close with Putin.

Dont forget erdogans speeches where calls him Sayin or Dostum. Erdogans cabinet is also filled with Pro Russian dudes what did you expect.
 

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Russians chance of replicating what the Americans did in Iraq and Afghanistan is dwindling day by day.

Even if they win the war is just going to drag on and on.

Their day 1 of going in Ukraine by doing shock and awe with combined arms has failed their objectives as Ukraine has not surrendered like they wanted.
It took the US a month to take Iraq in 2003. And months of preparation. Its been two days and the Russians are at Kiev after pushing 70 miles in less than two days. I mean, what more do you want them to do? And the Ukrainians are already wanting to negotiate a peace, which really means surrender.
 

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I wouldnt think about such details if i was an Ukrainian right now and knowing that the supplies coming to my country are from a number of countries that can be counted with one hand.

And TB2 have been Russias biggest nightmare in recent battlefields so its not something to underestimate either, in fact they have been course changing in three big battlefields against Russian hardware.
The difference is the Russians have an air force, to overfly their positions. So at that point drones are just slow flying aircraft with no Air to Air armaments.
 

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It took the US a month to take Iraq in 2003. And months of preparation. Its been two days and the Russians are at Kiev after pushing 70 miles in less than two days. I mean, what more do you want them to do? And the Ukrainians are already wanting to negotiate a peace, which really means surrender.

In a matter of days the Americans destroyed already Iraq.

Kiev is now make or break for Russia. Lets hope they lose.
 

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In a matter of days the Americans destroyed already Iraq.

Kiev is now make or break for Russia. Lets hope they lose.
The battle of Kiev is imminent, so does Kharkiv, Mariupol etc. It's in these cities that the Ukrainians must trap and destroy the Russians.
 

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Not here, it's pretty much a non-factor when SU35s are flying about. Russia says they have already shot down 5 of them, the rest might have been destroyed in hangars or runways during the initial cruise missile strikes.

If Russia was established air superiority, i would agree with you but that does not seems to be the case. I saw Ukranian Mi-24's flying so there is a chance that Ukranian army find a use for the TB-2's.

I still don't understand that how Russia couldn't establish air superiority yet or didn't use their full force for the invasion. They seem to be rushing considering they entered with their army and didn't use missile and air attack first to destroy Ukranian defences but they are not using their full force. Something doesn't add up.
 

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Turkish media has now become the place where we blame USA for everything.

Not one is calling out Russia. Not one is but instead they are blaming the usa.
 

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