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All that is required is the capacity to strike deep enough into Russia to hammer Russian artillery and missile sites that are sitting beyond the Russian border and lobbing shells, rockets and missiles into Ukraine. Russia has been able to create a buffer zone in the Kharkiv region by firing from their side of the border. This change of posture from the West will help eliminate that buffer zone advantage that Russia currently enjoys.

It will also allow Ukraine to fire air defense missiles from systems such as Patriot, into Russian airspace to challenge the SU-34s lobbing glidebombs from the front line.
 

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All that is required is the capacity to strike deep enough into Russia to hammer Russian artillery and missile sites that are sitting beyond the Russian border and lobbing shells, rockets and missiles into Ukraine.

Yes the logistical interdiction is already wargamed by NATO command delegated to ukraine theatre. These tiers will be applied now.

Russia is caught in a painful bind of its own doing and several of its bluffs have been called with little to no consequence....it has been normalised.
 

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This is why the U.S. isn't particularly concerned with Russia's R-37 missile, despite its range. Russian RADAR aboard height fighter aircraft and extremely underwhelming. The Russians have always been excellent when it comes to missile / rocket propulsion, but they are second rate when it comes to things like RADAR and navigation systems.

Although the R-37 significantly outranges the the AIM-120D / ER, the Americans are incredibly confident that Russia's ability to detect F-35s and F-22s, especially in a neutral setting, is so low, that Russia's best Migs and SUs would be well inside the U.S. fighters' missile envelope before the Russians could track them, let alone achieve a radar lock on them. The radar cross sections of most Russian fighters are a juicy target for the Americans. The new American fighters, being massed produced as a significant challenge for the Russians.

The only fighter with radars powerful enough to detect the Erieye up to 200km is the MiG-31. But the Ericson radar could see twice that and the Saab 340 carrying it will likely fly inside Ukrainian air defense bubble, prolly inside the most protected one. Russia must utilize it's own A-50 AWACS to see the Saab 340 and utilize a planwhere the MiG-31 would dash as fast as possible before releasing their R-37M missiles. The Saab 340 is a slow plane, unable to outrun either the MiG or it's R-37M missile.

The most probable action is of course destroying it while parked.
 

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The only fighter with radars powerful enough to detect the Erieye up to 200km is the MiG-31. But the Ericson radar could see twice that and the Saab 340 carrying it will likely fly inside Ukrainian air defense bubble, prolly inside the most protected one. Russia must utilize it's own A-50 AWACS to see the Saab 340 and utilize a planwhere the MiG-31 would dash as fast as possible before releasing their R-37M missiles. The Saab 340 is a slow plane, unable to outrun either the MiG or it's R-37M missile.

The most probable action is of course destroying it while parked.
Ideally, Ukraine will park them in Poland and or Romania and launch missions from there. If Russia wants to attack them at a Polish or Romanian NATO air base, they can go ahead and trigger Article 5. It won't go well for them... Employing this tactic is no different than Russian launching attacks from Belarus, a "neutral" third party. Ukrainian "AWACS' aircraft should always be heavily escorted and should never be parked on the ground in Ukraine while the war is ongoing.
 

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My weekly reminder that while Ukraine is slowly getting what it needs to devastate Russia's armored corps, Ukraine must continue to get a steady flow of quality Western armor to keep their newly mobilized forces mechanized and their experienced brigades equipped. The armor and artillery can't come in small quantities either. The West still has plenty and the funding exists to produce more. Ukraine needs the following by early 2025 in my estimation, to create a further nightmare for the Russians.

Main Battles Tanks
200 More Leopard 1 🇩🇪🇩🇰🇬🇷🇮🇹
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100 More M1A1 Abrams 🇺🇸
100 More T-72 🇨🇿🇵🇱🇺🇦
100 More T-64 🇨🇿🇺🇦

IFVs / AFVs / APCs
200 More Bradley M2-ODS 🇺🇸
100 More Marder 🇩🇪
100 More CV90 🇸🇪🇩🇰🇳🇴🇳🇱🇫🇮
100 More Rosomak 🇵🇱🇫🇮
100 More Stryker 🇺🇸
200 More BMP-1/2 🇬🇷🇵🇱🇩🇰🇺🇦🇨🇿
100 More YPR-765 🇳🇱
150 More PVB 302 🇸🇪
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200 More VAB France 🇫🇷
200 More M117 USA 🇺🇸
100 More Kirpi Turkey 🇹🇷

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75 More CAESAR 155mm 🇫🇷🇩🇰
75 More Bohdana 155mm 🇺🇦
12 More Krab 155mm Poland 🇵🇱
12 More Panzerhaubitze 🇩🇪
12 More Firtina I 155mm 🇹🇷
36 More M109 155mm 🇺🇸🇬🇧🇮🇹
200 More M198155mm 🇺🇸
100 More M777 155mm USA 🇺🇸
 

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Ideally, Ukraine will park them in Poland and or Romania and launch missions from there. If Russia wants to attack them at a Polish or Romanian NATO air base, they can go ahead and trigger Article 5. It won't go well for them... Employing this tactic is no different than Russian launching attacks from Belarus, a "neutral" third party. Ukrainian "AWACS' aircraft should always be heavily escorted and should never be parked on the ground in Ukraine while the war is ongoing.

Flying from Poland (Krakow or Lublin) the Saab 340 must fly a long way to action, considering the distance and the cruising speed of the Saab 340. Russian MiG-31 unit stationed in Belarus would have plenty of time to intercept and down those Saab en route to the frontline in Eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine could opt to spread thin its air defense trying to cover the flight path of the Erieye, but that would impose costs on the defense of Ukrainians cities and infrastructure in the East.
 

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Oh yeah, the MiG-31 could actually fly above the maximum altitude of many Ukrainian Western-made AD missiles like the PAC-2

The MiG-31 max altitude is 123,000ft. While the PAC-2 has like 105,000ft. The MiG-31 speed could easily outrun incoming missiles that would've slowed down considerably trying to climb those altitude.

Ukraine doesn't have that many PAC-series batteries to spare other than for the defense of Kiev, if they opt for less, like the MIM-23, it's more or less useless

 
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Biden has given Ukraine the go-ahead to use American weaponry to strike inside Russia for the📍 -limited purpose of defending Kharkiv-❗ according to two U.S. officials familiar with the matter
 

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Will Ukraine be allowed to attack with F-16s on Russian territory: Zelensky responded



Ukraine is waiting for F-16 fighters


The President noted that this year Ukraine will not receive enough fighters to establish parity with Russian air force in the skies.
 

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An episode of the battle in Ukraine, filmed simultaneously by the Russian and Ukrainian armies in the Avdeevsky direction. The footage was shortened and filmed from a drone and a Bradley infantry fighting vehicle. The video shows an attempt to land infantry with a Ukrainian M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA infantry fighting vehicle. The landing failed, the Ukrainian M2A2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle was attacked by soldiers of the 15th separate guards motorized rifle brigade of Russia. Damaged by a mortar shell, the crew of the M2A2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle attempted to evacuate, but was unable to due to constant attacks from Russian kamikaze FPV drones. After which another M2A2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle was called in for help, which was also attacked by a drone, but evacuated some of the military personnel.

 

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The first footage of the use of Russian FPV drones in the Black Sea, intended for protection against naval drones of the Ukrainian army. Previously, the Russian army used predominantly firearms to repel attacks by Ukrainian naval drones. The video shows an attack by an unknown model of Russian FPV drone on a Ukrainian maritime drone MAGURA V5. The drone was drifting, waiting for a target to attack. The exact shooting location and date have not been announced.

 

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Germany 🇩🇪 announced a new $542 million usd aid package for Ukraine today. The package will consist of the following.

- IRIS-T SLM air defense missiles
- IRIS-T SLS air defense missiles
- Marder infantry fighting vehicles
- Gepard anti-aircraft systems
- Surveillance drones
- Martime strike drones
- Leopard 2 engines
- Panzerhaubitze 2000 barrels
- 1 million rounds of ammunition
- Satellite communication systems


 

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Ideally, Ukraine will park them in Poland and or Romania and launch missions from there. If Russia wants to attack them at a Polish or Romanian NATO air base, they can go ahead and trigger Article 5. It won't go well for them... Employing this tactic is no different than Russian launching attacks from Belarus, a "neutral" third party. Ukrainian "AWACS' aircraft should always be heavily escorted and should never be parked on the ground in Ukraine while the war is ongoing.
What is this? If those plane takeoff from Poland or Romania then they will be legitimate target for Russia.
 

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What is this? If those plane takeoff from Poland or Romania then they will be legitimate target for Russia.
This is hilarious. If you think Russia is going to go to war against NATO because Ukraine houses a couple radar planes in Europe, you're out of your mind. Ukraine already freely fly their remaining Antonov fleet throughout Europe and North America, picking up supplies and getting maintenance in the West, without interference from the Russians.

In a conventional war, which it would be despite all of Russia's silly nuclear sabre rattling, NATO would absolutely trounce the Russians, who are using everything they've got just trying to inch forward in Ukraine. No chance do they want to give an excuse to Poland and The Baltic States and to join the war, let alone the rest of NATOs heavy hitters.
 
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Ukraine 🇺🇦 has come to a loan agreement with the International Monetary Fund on a $15 Billion usd loan which will be given to Ukraine in tranches over a 4 year period. The first tranche was issued to Ukraine in the amount of $2.2 Billion usd.

 
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