Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Gary]

Seriously what are they fighting for?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1798026571888144686

 

[Gary]

Oh I hear that the Zionists Ukrainians did an ambush against the Anti Zionists Russians in Syria.
How remarkable.
Isn't it interesting that Ukrainians didn't kill any Muslims since the Bosnian war ( even then the so called volunteers) yet they ara boogie man.
I think Russians parsipated in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of The Muslims.
Mr Gary am I getting it wrong here or you see the bigger picture.
Even in Sudan, Ukrainians helped the the Zionists government against anti racist Janjaweeds.
No , Ruskies are changing the camp, I guess, all of the sudden the government in Khartum had a catarza.

I consider the war between Russia-Ukraine to be a foreign war between two infidel nations that has not made me betray my brothers in faith in any measure.

The most important thing for me, is that Ukraine is defeated, because if Ukraine is defeated that means one less democracies in the face of the earth. That's one less U.S ally, one less safe heaven for LGBT people's, one less bad problem to deal with.

You insinuate me about China, here's my opinion about China. China taking over Taiwan means a more dangerous situation for my country, but at the same time, if Taiwan is defeated, that means one less democracy which I'm also looking forward to. So I have yet to decide if China's future campaign is good or not. Does that mean I'm suddenly becoming a mouthpiece of the communist Party on top of the suffering of Uyghurs? Of course not.

I did not take the Russian position when it comes to Syria, neither do I take the CCP blabbering about Uyghurs living the good life. From my perspective, these are infidels doing infidel war, what they are doing now, is what the two infidel nations of Byzantium and Sassanian empire did before Islam crush both. They are not legitimate to me, and I switch side easily. Depending on who is the lesser evil.

And Russia seems like the lesser evil compared to the West. Does lesser evil equal to no evil? No, but they're still clearly less.

When the Romans and Persians were fighting each other, the pagans of Mecca would taunt our Prophet (PBUH) on the victories of the pagans (Persians are fire worshipers) against the Roman Christians (which we consider as people of the book). The positions of Muslim at the time is to sympathize with the Christian Byzantines because they're the lesser evil and the closest in faith. This I is when the revelation of Ar-Rum (Rome) was sent down to Muhammad in 614 AD to give good tiding to the Muslims on the seemingly impossible impending victory of the Romans which came just 8 years later when Heraclius defeated Sharbaraza in 622 AD and roll back the Persian empire to pre-war demarcation.

In 622, the Byzantine emperor Heraclius, was ready to mount a counter-offensive against the Sassanid Persians who had overrun most of the eastern provinces of the Byzantine Empire. He left Constantinople the day after celebrating Easter on Sunday, 4 April 622.[1] His young son, Heraclius Constantine, was left behind as regent under the charge of Patriarch Sergius and the patrician Bonus. In order to threaten both the Persian forces in Anatolia and Syria, his first move was to sail from Constantinople to Pylae in Bithynia (not in Cilicia).[2] He spent the summer training so as to improve the skills of his men and his own generalship. In the autumn, Heraclius threatened the Persian communications to Anatolia from the Euphrates valley by marching to northern Cappadocia. This forced the Persian forces in Anatolia under Shahrbaraz to retreat from the front-lines of Bithynia and Galatia to eastern Anatolia in order to block his access to Persia.[3]

What followed next is not entirely clear, but Heraclius certainly won a crushing victory over Shahrbaraz somewhere in Cappadocia.

Heraclius' Anatolian campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thereby fulfilling this good news sent in 614 AD

within three to nine years. The ˹whole˺ matter rests with God before and after ˹victory˺. And on that day the believers will rejoice) (Rome: Chapter 4)

So I will take that approach between these infidels and their wars. Including the Russia-Ukraine war.

In my view:

• The West is clearly the bigger danger (especially if you put the moral decadence into the equation)
• It is actually the West that have bases in blessed Arabia, not Russia
• The Russians actually have some semblance of our value (rejection of feminism, LGBT etc)
• Happens to be on our side (at least in appearance) when it comes to Palestine

 

[mehmed beg]

For me Russia is much much worse then America.
If you don't care about infidels fighting then why do you invest so much time into shilling for Russia?
You ain't sure about the Taiwan issue, because of democracy????
I am sure that Taiwanese Muslims, surely do not see it that way.
Russia has no bases in Syria? And soon in Sudan? It is something new for me.
Do you think that I will care for little Jimmy getting it up his arse or for the fact that as much as Russians do not recognise Ukrainian nationality, they do not recognise mine? Shall I say on that, that Russia is lesser evil..
Do you honestly think that your priorities should be mine in the grand scale of things?
Other thing is why do you equating Russia with Rome? What is the basis of that? What Russia got to do with Rome?
It seems to me that you are Imran Hussein fab. He uses pretty same logic. Just to inform you, at the time of Prophet Muhammad SAAW, there was no such a thing as Ortodox Christianity.
The Bishop of Rome had recognised supremacy, universally.
What makes you think that those Ayats are applicable to Russia???
What legitimate it has?

 

[Gary]

First, How is Russia much worse than America?

• Who has the most bases in Islamic lands?
• who spreads and enforces democracies all over the world?
• Who spreads moral decadence among Muslims and enforces immorality throughout the world?
• Who spends their money trying to modify Islam and its creed through liberal institutions and think tanks?
• Who backed traitorous dictators in Islamic land the most like Sisi in Egypt etc etc

Russia is bad, but worse? Think again

Second. Yes, I'm no longer decided on what is my take on Taiwan moving forward, the way I see it is no longer through the lens of nation-states but religion. Taiwan is just one of those tiny countries the U.S. propped up all over the world trying to check their geopolitical foes. There's nothing of significance that I would lose if Taiwan gets absorbed by China, nor do I see the cause of democracy as something sacred enough to die for. What I'm looking forward to is the upcoming military confrontation between the U.S. and China and that's it. That war will paralyze if not wipe out the Chinese as well as the Americans. I pray to god, to increase their animosity to each other and increase their errors between the two infidel states.

You know, before the ascendancy of Islam, the Romans and Persians (much like the U.S. and China/Russia today) would spend their time trying to check each other, only to be swallowed later on by Islam.

I believe that whatever happens today in regard to Russia, Ukraine, Palestine, Syria, China in Taiwan, etc is just part of god's grand plan and we will (Islam) be victorious in the end. While all these infidel nations perished from their own effort (just like the Romans and Persians).

Third, yes, I do believe that Russia is the Rome that has been foretold. The Arabs of Muhammedan era basically classify all Christians as Romans. The question is which Christians? Now there are 2 Christians (the West of mainly Catholics and Protestants and Russia). The West with their LGBT, neo-liberal, jew-controlled institutions or the likes of Russia which has at least some semblance of normalcy (a single leader, institutionalized religion in the form of the orthodox church, rejection of LGBT etc)

Surely Islam will never ally with the likes of the former. Last but not least . If you look at the history of Russia, they basically proclaimed themselves as the third Rome, continuing the tradition of the Christian Rome of Byzantium after the loss of Constantinople. SO is this the Rome we're looking for to complete this prophecy ?

“The Romans will enter into a peace treaty with you, then you and they will fight a common enemy

If people pay attention enough, by mid-2023, before the Gaza war, I've already modified my stance on Russia, because back then after careful thinking. If they're defeated then that prophecy will not likely happen. That's another refutation to people who claim that I support Russia because of Gaza. Gaza only reinforce my belief but it doesn't form the bedrock.

Lastly. No I am not Imran Hussein fans, I'm always independent in my thinking. I would not side myself with and Assadists

 

[Gary]

At the end of the day, people ally with what they perceive to be closest with them on values and virtues.

Russia's authocratic style of government suits me better than Ukraine's representative style of government. There's no shame in that

 

[Deliorman]

Russia's authocratic style of government suits me better than Ukraine's representative style of government. There's no shame in that

Weren't you the one that was talking a few days ago how Russia is great democratic country and Ukraine is a country without elections that is lead by the Dictator Zelensky etc?

ps Isn't Indonesia a democracy too? What kind of a rule you like dude, do you even know or it changes depending on how you wake up in the morning?

 

[Gary]

Weren't you the one that was talking a few days ago how Russia is great democratic country and Ukraine is a country without elections that is lead by the Dictator Zelensky etc?

Putin gets his seat via the people that voted him. In that regards, he satisfy the requirements of a democratic leader.

Does he actually care about that? Probably not. Autocratic means he will do what he wills regardless of what the people wants, even though sometimes the people wants him to become president.

Zelensky on the other hand has his power by extending warfare, he satisfy the requirements of a war Lord.

Mind to remind you that I call Ukraine as representative styled government. Which means that their country are run by cliques loyal to interests (business or foreign)

ps Isn't Indonesia a democracy too? What kind of a rule you like dude, do you even know or it changes depending on how you wake up in the morning?

Yes, I don't choose what country I was born in. So if Indonesia is a democracy is not my fault. My job is to warn fellow countrymen on the danger of democracy in the hope that they will turn away.

 

[mehmed beg]

Mr Gary, I think that you are not completely honest with me here.
I have never talked about democracy, what I think about it , it is easy to see in my todays post in the Palestinian Forum.
Anyway some time ago , I openly admitted that basically I am a Fascist. So no point to approach me from that angle.
Also, I said for me Russia is worse enemy then USA, it was like that 400 years ago and it never stepped. I have never said that it is for you.
Also I have written many times on this forum that Muslims are woke and already liberal.
Some of it comes from USA, but the great deal of that comes from USSR.
And to allie myself with someone?
No my friend, for my people it worked from time to time but it was tangible.
Through Ottoman Empire we were allied with France and Britain in the Crimean War. With the Germans later on.
You see with that, we had at least some temporary benefits, no normal person can trust the Russians.
Morality? Well , Imran Hussein has 100s thousands of the followers, the guy is undoubtedly Kaffir and with him , he drags 100s of thousands to what? Morality? Who pays him?
And frankly, if you read Pakistani Defence Forum, Gaza War section and call from the people from Subcontinent for the racial war against whites , which I am, shall I allie myself with the people who of my religion? For what, exactly? To apologise to them that ,despite the worse history of Balkan, I had an audacity to repell invaders somehow?
The only alliance I believe in is the alliance of the people who have many things in common. For me that's just few.
As of you, feel free to choose your path but just don't look into the things in oversimplified manner. Sooner or later, you will contradict yourself and don't look things in simply love and hate manner.
I have more reasons to dislike the West etc. Over the centuries we had to put up with the majority of them, if we had to put up singularly just with British or similar, well I would consider it as pure luck.

 

[Spitfire9]

Putin gets his seat via the people that voted him. In that regards, he satisfy the requirements of a democratic leader.

Laughable. If opponents who might threaten you in an election are prevented from standing (eg registration of opponents for the election is delayed until out of time or declared invalid for specious reasons or they are taken into custody for no valid reason or they are killed) then the election result is without value.

 

[FiReFTW]

Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and dirty countries in the world, the only reason europe and the US are putting so much into it is to weaken russia, the only thing I don't get is why europe keeps pushing so much for ukraine to join the EU and NATO, thats ridicilous if u ask me. it should be reserved for non corrupt and high society and advanced countries, but it seems lately they are wanting to take in everyone, how the standards have dropped.

 

[UkroTurk]

US seeks EU sanctions guarantee to back $50bn Ukraine loan

US seeks EU sanctions guarantee to back $50bn Ukraine loan

Washington needs Russian assets held in Europe to be frozen indefinitely to support fresh finance for Kyiv

www.ft.com

 

[Iskander]

Weren't you the one that was talking a few days ago how Russia is great democratic country and Ukraine is a country without elections that is lead by the Dictator Zelensky etc?

ps Isn't Indonesia a democracy too? What kind of a rule you like dude, do you even know or it changes depending on how you wake up in the morning?

Take your time, our friend is a мan without illusios.
When NATO troops appear near Kiev, he will have some doubts about his idol - Putin.
When they reach the borders of Russia, he will think very hard.
And when Moscow is surrounded, let's see what song he will sing here
I'm sure we haven't lost our friend forever

 

[Spitfire9]

When NATO troops appear near Kiev, he will have some doubts about his idol - Putin.
When they reach the borders of Russia, he will think very hard.
And when Moscow is surrounded, let's see what song he will sing here

Dominated by the US, I don't see NATO getting involved directly in the Ukraine war, short of Russia attacking a NATO state. IMO what would encourage that would be a Russian victory in Ukraine.

Given the US reluctance to provide the weaponry required by Ukraine to win the war and up to now to restrict use of weapons provided to Ukrainian soil and airspace, the US has made it more or less impossible for Ukraine to defend itself effectively. For example, if Russian bombers can launch missiles and glide bombs with impunity from1km inside Russian airspace, if their bases in Russia cannot be attacked, what chance is there of Ukraine stopping attacks by missiles and glide bombs?

In WWII - before America was at war with Germany - the US provided the UK with a number of ships to be used for Atlantic convoy escort duties. What use would those ships have been if they could only be used to attack U-boats when convoys reached UK territorial waters?

 

[mehmed beg]

5 million Muslims were expelled or killed just in 19th century from the Balkans. All those wars etc . Russians played key roll in that
It goes without saying that the Ukraine is a secondary goal of the Russians. What they would really like is to get help from " New Europe " and obliterate Muslims of Balkan and of course take Bosphorus.
Anyone with a bit of knowledge of history, politics and mentality of of the Russians knowns this.
Even funnier thing , some people belive that one of Russian goals is to save little Johnny from Uncle F rr? So Russian Army is dieing for that? Are those people normal?
That USA and the West ain't trustworthy, the fact that Poland buys a lot of weapons and cooperate with South Korea tells you a lot of the things.
Poles have very unpleasant experiences from both of them .

 

[Gary]

As of you, feel free to choose your path but just don't look into the things in oversimplified manner.

Nothing is simple, if Russia absorbed Ukraine the result would be devastating...for the U.S.
It's not about Russia having Ukraine, for me it's about what comes after Russia conquered Ukraine.

For me, the cost-benefit ratio of Russia winning this war suits me and that's it. I don't shill for either The West or Russia/China. But I need Russia to win this one.

 

[NEKO]

And when Moscow is surrounded, let's see what song he will sing here

Doubt.

Nukes will be flying all around the globe.

 

[MaciekRS]

Nothing is simple, if Russia absorbed Ukraine the result would be devastating...for the U.S.
It's not about Russia having Ukraine, for me it's about what comes after Russia conquered Ukraine.

Ukraine means NOTHING to US.
They would sold all Ukraine to russia to "not escalate"

BUT, if they sold Ukraine that will mean that they would sold Poland so for us we rather ecalate it right now then wait for our turn to fight.

And the whole concept of a war with russia changed. Before 2022 we had plans to let them in and defend on the Vistula river line. Now its all gone.
First we see that russia can be beaten, they are unable to create any manouver.
Second, there is no way we let them in to destroy third of a country like they did in Ukraine.
Thats why we are buying abour 500 MLRS, JASSM ER , Apaches etc.

 

[Gary]

Weird choice, Russia takes his mother while leaving her able bodied son which will soon be eligible for military service alone and left his grandma to pick him up in Russia (?)

This story is too weird to be accepted, I consider this Ukrainian propaganda

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1797921541126082724

 

[Spitfire9]

5 million Muslims were expelled or killed just in 19th century from the Balkans. All those wars etc . Russians played key roll in that
It goes without saying that the Ukraine is a secondary goal of the Russians. What they would really like is to get help from " New Europe " and obliterate Muslims of Balkan and of course take Bosphorus.
Anyone with a bit of knowledge of history, politics and mentality of of the Russians knowns this.
Even funnier thing , some people belive that one of Russian goals is to save little Johnny from Uncle F rr? So Russian Army is dieing for that? Are those people normal?
That USA and the West ain't trustworthy, the fact that Poland buys a lot of weapons and cooperate with South Korea tells you a lot of the things.
Poles have very unpleasant experiences from both of them .

The Poles have a history of very unpleasant experiences - the most unpleasant in recent history coming from the totalitarian regimes of Fascist Germany and Communist USSR. Whatever the shortcomings of the US and the west in their dealings with Poland, they hardly register when compared to the murderous behaviour of its neighbours.

Has it occurred to you that Poland has bought a lot of kit from South Korea because it makes some good kit eg tanks, combat aircraft? Kit good enough for Poland to be interested in joining the South Korean KF-21 fighter programme.

 

[Spitfire9]

The abduction of children from Ukraine by Russia has been widely reported and documented. No denial by pro-Russia propagandists will change that.