Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[mehmed beg]

So you don't care about people dying, gotcha, doesn't suprize me to be honest.

Strange answer?
Do you f think that I care about people who can cut a little girl ear and put in their pocket, then talk nicely till they got find out with they " trophy" as it once happened in my presence?
Excatly the same kind which is in Novgorod?
Onexcatly what basis your opinion is based? Newly found humanism?
Yes I am very happy for Russians to die, why wouldn't I be happy?
I believe that I saw1000s excatly the same comments from " humanists" inl regards of Palestine?
Difference is that I have some reason for that, what reason some " humanist" from let's say Sweden has?
Oh I forgot how you as European patriot feel about about North Korean troops saving Europe?

 

[contricusc]

But there can be a real peace negotiated, that is infact 100% a fact, and that doesn't mean Russia will attack Ukraine again or other European countries again, this can all be negotiated and sign in paper form, it needs to be thought out very well but everything can be signed and negotiated and put in paper form to absolutely 100% prevent any conflict on European soil from Russia in the future, because there can be many consequences in written form if anything like that happens where Russia would never ever consider something like that.

Wow, you don’t seem to learn anything from history.

Since when can you negotiate a lasting peace with Russia and since when can you protect peace by signing a paper?

How can a signed paper “100% prevent any conflict on European soil from Russia in the future”?

Signed agreements are toilet paper for Putin. If he sees weakness, he will attack, no matter what he signed.

Did the Budapest Memorandum prevent Ukraine’s invasion. Or maybe the Minsk agreements?

it is childish if you believe anything else; but force will deter Putin from future attacks.

Europe needs nuclear weapons, and a lot of them. It also needs a lot of long range missiles and conventional forces. You don’t need a signed paper to mantain peace. You need strong armed forces.

And to address your other points, about the “warmongers” on this forum who don’t want a ceasfire. We don’t want a ceasfire because we know it is to Putin’s advantage, and it will only make things worse in the future. We know what will happen after the ceasfire, and we know Ukraine and Europe are better off without one.

As long as the war continues, Russia cannot rebuild its armed forces and restock with soldiers and equipment, as the war continues to erode their war capacity. Also, as long as the war continues Ukraine receives a lot of military equipment and money to keep its armed forces alive. If there is a ceasfire, Russia will be able to rebuild its army while Ukraine will stop receiving the help it gets now, so the balance of power will quickly grow in favor of Russia. This means that in a few years Russia will be aboe to attack again with much greater force, and Ukraine won’t be able to resist next time.

In the current form, continuing the war is better for Ukraine than it is for Russia, while a ceasfire favors Russia. This is why Zelensky doesn’t want a ceasfire, and Putin wants one. But it seems that you think you know better than Ukraine’s president what is best for Ukraine.

 

[FiReFTW]

Strange answer?
Do you f think that I care about people who can cut a little girl ear and put in their pocket, then talk nicely till they got find out with they " trophy" as it once happened in my presence?
Excatly the same kind which is in Novgorod?
Onexcatly what basis your opinion is based? Newly found humanism?
Yes I am very happy for Russians to die, why wouldn't I be happy?
I believe that I saw1000s excatly the same comments from " humanists" inl regards of Palestine?
Difference is that I have some reason for that, what reason some " humanist" from let's say Sweden has?
Oh I forgot how you as European patriot feel about about North Korean troops saving Europe?

So every Russian person is a horrible person and deserves to die, thats the definition of racism friend.
And Ukranians are also dying in the war not only Russians.

 

[FiReFTW]

Wow, you don’t seem to learn anything from history.

Since when can you negotiate a lasting peace with Russia and since when can you protect peace by signing a paper?

How can a signed paper “100% prevent any conflict on European soil from Russia in the future”?

Signed agreements are toilet paper for Putin. If he sees weakness, he will attack, no matter what he signed.

Did the Budapest Memorandum prevent Ukraine’s invasion. Or maybe the Minsk agreements?

You are too childish if you believe anything else but force will deter Putin from future attacks.

Europe needs nuclear weapons, and a lot of them. It also needs a lot of long range missiles and conventional forces. You don’t need a signed paper to mantain peace. You need strong armed forces.

And to address your other points, about the “warmongers” on this forum who don’t want a ceasfire. We don’t want a ceasfire because we know it is to Putin’s advantage, and it will only make things worse in the future. We know what will happen after the ceasfire, and we know Ukraine and Europe are better off without one.

As long as the war continues, Russia cannot rebuild its armed forces and restock with soldiers and equipment, as the war continues to erode their war capacity. Also, as long as the war continues Ukraine receives a lot of military equipment and money to keep its armed forces alive. If there is a ceasfire, Russia will be able to rebuild its army while Ukraine will stop receiving the help it gets now, so the balance of power will quickly grow in favor of Russia. This means that in a few years Russia will be aboe to attack again with much greater force, and Ukraine won’t be able to resist next time.

In the current form, continuing the war is better for Ukraine than it is for Russia, while a ceasfire favors Russia. This is why Zelensky doesn’t want a ceasfire, and Putin wants one. But it seems that you think you know better than Ukraine’s president what is best for Ukraine.

If the war continues Ukraine will cease to exist in a few years, those are facts no matter what you think or believe, the Ukranians will exhaust their manpower which is already exhausted while Russia will not, its basic math.

And yes, Putin will not attack a country if it means war with NATO, that can all be part of the contract, if you think otherwise you are living in a fantasy.

How hard is it to make it in a written form that any future attack on Ukraine will be an attack on NATO and all countries of NATO will be abided by contract to intervene with force.

 

[contricusc]

If the war continues Ukraine will cease to exist in a few years, those are facts no matter what you think or believe, the Ukranians will exhaust their manpower which is already exhausted while Russia will not, its basic math.

This is simply not true. Ukraine can continue to fight at the current rate of attrition for a very long time, as long as it receives military and economic support from Europe.

Also, the balance of power is slowly titlting in favor of Ukraine as the war progresses, so it would be follish to stop it just now. When the war started, Russia had all the means to pund Ukraine with missiles and drones, while Ukraine had no way to retaliate in kind. Fast forward three years, and now Ukraine aslo has the capability to strike back at Russia with long range drones. The more time it passes, the greater capabilities of long range strike will be acquired by Ukraine, as they are improving their drone technology and are starting to mass produce.

Ukraine will aslo improve its missile technology, and could also receieve Taurus from Germany, in a further blow to Russia’s air defence.

Give it more time, and Ukraine will be able to strike Russia with impunity, and even the playing field. Will the Russians be willing to continue the war once Western Russia is under constant attacks and their industrial base gets slowly destroyed?

How hard is it to make it in a written form that any future attack on Ukraine will be an attack on NATO and all countries of NATO will be abided by contract to intervene with force.

It is impossible. Why? Ask Trump. He clearly stated that NATO membership for Ukraine is out of the question, and that the US will not give security guarantees for Ukraine.

Trump will not defend Ukraine. He said it clearly for everyone to hear. This is why Zelensky knows a ceasfire with Russia is pointless.

 

[mehmed beg]

So every Russian person is a horrible person and deserves to die, thats the definition of racism friend.
And Ukranians are also dying in the war not only Russians.

First of let me educate you, if I as a Bosnian hate Russians then I am a chauvinist not racist, correct? At no point I said that I would like that all Russian die but good deal yes. Why I would wish any good for my arch enemy?
Second, I heard that Marie Le Pen shouting from the top of Parisian roofs how USA is great Allie of France? If she doesn't pretend they it is pretty astonishing statement for French and European so called patriot.
With a bit of luck and some clever moves, France can become the absolute master of Europe, without Anglos poking their noses in European affairs.
France has viable nuclear deterrent, no!
If half of it is payed by the Europeans , France wouldn't have any problems building massive force.
That would assure European security vis a Vis anybody.
So it is really questionable who are those so called Patriots ???

 

[Costin1984]

Best course of action for Europe right now:

1.3% for defence for every EU country, mandatory!
2.Alliance with Turkey and the Arab world, throw full support behind Palestinians, let's choke the US pudel in the ME.
3.Lift sanctions on Iran, let's buy as much oil and gas from them as we can,let's invest in their energy infrastructure.
4.Nuclear weapons with more delivery systems,.