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Who will be the next world leader visiting Kyiv?
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Hoaa after watching his performance in the sitcom and now its becoming reality. Wow
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UK:
120 Mastiff type heavy armored personnel carriers to Ukraine
Announces delivery of 400 Harpoon anti-ship missiles
120 Mastiff type heavy armored personnel carriers to Ukraine
Announces delivery of 400 Harpoon anti-ship missiles
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I couldn't find any reliable source that says 400 Harpoons will be delivered, but that's huge if true. All of the remaining Ukrainian controlled shores would easily be contested by the Ukrainians from naval landings.
Also I find it strange that the Royal navy would just throw off a significant chunk of its anti ship weapons as it's preparing for a new Global Britain (at sea) especially the I-SSGW programme is cancelled months ago.
Also I find it strange that the Royal navy would just throw off a significant chunk of its anti ship weapons as it's preparing for a new Global Britain (at sea) especially the I-SSGW programme is cancelled months ago.
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a more logical explanation. Prolly fitted into helicopters (I don't know if Ukraine's helo fleet are compatible tho)
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“We will not stop
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he led an ordinary life,
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Good day to Others.
“We will not stop
until we return Crimea,”
Isa Akaev in an interview
Isa Akaev became famous in 2014
when he went to defend Ukraine
in the Donbas.
Before that,
he led an ordinary life,
worked and raised children.
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A couple things here...
- Harpoon missiles are largely obsolete against modern ship defense symptoms, but they are still plenty capable of destroying landing craft, supply ships, etc. They'll definitely be enough to stave off any idea of an amphibious landing in Odessa. That would be a massacre for Russian naval forces attempting that landing. With a proven range of 130-140 km, Russian ships are going to have to be careful out in the Sea of Azov. Hopefully, the number delivered is substantial enough to allow the Ukrainians to take some chances with them. 400 would be fantastic, but I'm skeptical of that number until I see some kind of official announcement. Each one of the block 2 variant of that missile is about $1.4 million dollars. Even if the the British are donating the block 1 variant, you're still looking at nearly $1 million per missile. 400 would be an enormous investment by UK Government. If the real number is even 25% of that, 100 harpoons would be a fantastic start.
Also, I'll say it again, reference the armored vehicles being sent to Ukraine... It's nice to see countries stepping up, but the numbers have to increase substantially if they're going to achieve the desired outcome against the Russians. You want to send a message to Putin, announce the following, paid for by all 30+ countries that are helping the Ukrainians with aid.
- 100 Australian Bushmaster, personnel carriers.
- 120 British Mastiff, patrol vehicles.
- 120 American Oshkosh-L vehicles.
- 200 American MRAP personnel carriers.
- 500 American HMMWVS, with mixed TOW missile launchers, grenade launchers and 30mm and 50mm machine guns.
- 250 mixed Czech and Polish T-72 tanks + repairs for 100 captured, Russian T-72 tanks.
- 150 mixed BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry vehicles.
- 150 mixed artillery systems from across NATO. BM-21 Grad, MLRS. M777,155mm artillery. Krab, 155mm artillery. AS-90, 155mm artilery.
On top of all the small arms weaponry that has been sent and needs to keep being sent, the above would make a meaningful difference. The Ukrainians need to be able to make meaningful counter offensives, within their own territory, using capable, well armed military vehicles. Right now their offensives are extremely slow. They're having to move by foot, or in lightly armored vehicles, in many instances.
We also need a minimum 1000 Ukrainian volunteer soldiers and officers taken into Poland every week, and hastily trained / armed by the West's armed forces working over there. 3 intensive weeks of basic military training, before being armed, fully equiped and sent back into Ukraine as freshly minted, 1000 member strong reserve battalions. When they go back to Ukraine, they should continue training until they're called up for live combat. A new battalion, every week, for the next 6 months, will keep the Ukrainian manpower where it needs to be. It will also better familiarize them with the Western small arms, anti-armor and anti-air weapons that they're going to be fighting with moving forward.
- Harpoon missiles are largely obsolete against modern ship defense symptoms, but they are still plenty capable of destroying landing craft, supply ships, etc. They'll definitely be enough to stave off any idea of an amphibious landing in Odessa. That would be a massacre for Russian naval forces attempting that landing. With a proven range of 130-140 km, Russian ships are going to have to be careful out in the Sea of Azov. Hopefully, the number delivered is substantial enough to allow the Ukrainians to take some chances with them. 400 would be fantastic, but I'm skeptical of that number until I see some kind of official announcement. Each one of the block 2 variant of that missile is about $1.4 million dollars. Even if the the British are donating the block 1 variant, you're still looking at nearly $1 million per missile. 400 would be an enormous investment by UK Government. If the real number is even 25% of that, 100 harpoons would be a fantastic start.
Also, I'll say it again, reference the armored vehicles being sent to Ukraine... It's nice to see countries stepping up, but the numbers have to increase substantially if they're going to achieve the desired outcome against the Russians. You want to send a message to Putin, announce the following, paid for by all 30+ countries that are helping the Ukrainians with aid.
- 100 Australian Bushmaster, personnel carriers.
- 120 British Mastiff, patrol vehicles.
- 120 American Oshkosh-L vehicles.
- 200 American MRAP personnel carriers.
- 500 American HMMWVS, with mixed TOW missile launchers, grenade launchers and 30mm and 50mm machine guns.
- 250 mixed Czech and Polish T-72 tanks + repairs for 100 captured, Russian T-72 tanks.
- 150 mixed BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry vehicles.
- 150 mixed artillery systems from across NATO. BM-21 Grad, MLRS. M777,155mm artillery. Krab, 155mm artillery. AS-90, 155mm artilery.
On top of all the small arms weaponry that has been sent and needs to keep being sent, the above would make a meaningful difference. The Ukrainians need to be able to make meaningful counter offensives, within their own territory, using capable, well armed military vehicles. Right now their offensives are extremely slow. They're having to move by foot, or in lightly armored vehicles, in many instances.
We also need a minimum 1000 Ukrainian volunteer soldiers and officers taken into Poland every week, and hastily trained / armed by the West's armed forces working over there. 3 intensive weeks of basic military training, before being armed, fully equiped and sent back into Ukraine as freshly minted, 1000 member strong reserve battalions. When they go back to Ukraine, they should continue training until they're called up for live combat. A new battalion, every week, for the next 6 months, will keep the Ukrainian manpower where it needs to be. It will also better familiarize them with the Western small arms, anti-armor and anti-air weapons that they're going to be fighting with moving forward.
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The Harpoon may be outdated against the latest ships' self-defence systems, but Russian ships are far from that and would vulnerable to them. Especially the Moskva, the black sea fleet's flagship, would be vulnerable. Sinking the Moskva would be a big loss to Russia's already tattered image, and would also put an end to Russia's landing operations in the south of Ukraine.
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Cruise missile defense is a very complex job to do and something that respectable navies trained again and again defending from.
The problem with subsonic cruise missile is their low altitude flight and in conjunction with earth curvature would allow almost undetected during most of its cruise/flight until it suddenly popped out and weapons system operator on the CIC room would only have a few minutes to respond.
The Moskva is on paper very impressive with the weapons it carried. But hardly makes it invulnerable to anti ship cruise missile attacks.
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As of now, 20 bodies have been recovered. Two belonged to the Ukrainian military.
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Significant because EU has a collective security arrangement as well (external to NATO).
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Ukraine also supplied with Turkish Bayraktar MINI UAVs
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May Allah give him what he deserves in this life and after his death. Scum!He raped 3 yr old, recorded what he did and loaded the film on the internet.
Correction: 1 yr old
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Does Anybody now if The Turkish BTR-60s and BTR-80s would be of any use for UKR Army.
They have been acquired in the 90s.
323 SPW-60PB (Modernized BTR 60)
240 BTR-80
That would be 563 8x8s.
They could be driven through Bulgaria and Romania.
500 Km Distance.
They have been acquired in the 90s.
323 SPW-60PB (Modernized BTR 60)
240 BTR-80
That would be 563 8x8s.
They could be driven through Bulgaria and Romania.
500 Km Distance.
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Total depraved lost causes rotting in hell is not good enough.
They need send off on Earth here....a tenure in a prison, with whole prison population knowing what he did....and guards looking other way.
Lesser criminals mete out the proper justice (over long enough time) to these kinds of people more than anyone else can (I am told).
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a company from Ankara unifirmsavunma was manufacturing spare parts for BTR 60/ 80 and keep them runing guess PETLAS was manufacturing BTR 80 tyre but as we all know we were realy dissatisfied with BTRs
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these BTRs are still stored not sure If they are in good condition tho.
