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It boggles my mind.

The Russians have

-huge ass conventional army
-spetsnaz
-airborne troops
-jet fighters
-ground attack aircraft
-strategic bombers
-ballistic missiles
-cruise missiles
-destroyers
-submarines

You name it they could not even do a proper combined arms attack.

Now the Russians are like we are fighting the whole world. Which is cope.

Ukraine does not even have half the stuff Russia has. They are the true underdog dont forget how people even said including me that Russia was going to sweep them aside.

Look how wrong we were.
All these need good structuring, appropriate storage, spare parts, properly stored munition and ordnance, training, maintenance, and maintenance training.
Not to mention essential add-ons which Putin had found out that they were mostly sold in the black market by his corrupt generals.

All this equipment means nothing without the things mentioned above.

Corruption and Vodka have f***ed the Russian army and we can all see the effects.
Add to all that, the outdated military doctrine which is still pretty much Soviet with minor changes. And yet they cry on national TV that they're fighting against NATO in Ukraine. What else where you preparing for?

I wonder whether Russia's ballistic missiles and nuclear arsenal work more than 50%.
 

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All these need good structuring, appropriate storage, spare parts, properly stored munition and ordnance, training, maintenance, and maintenance training.
Not to mention essential add-ons which Putin had found out that they were mostly sold in the black market by his corrupt generals.

All this equipment means nothing without the things mentioned above.

Corruption and Vodka have f***ed the Russian army and we can all see the effects.
Add to all that, the outdated military doctrine which is still pretty much Soviet with minor changes. And yet they cry on national TV that they're fighting against NATO in Ukraine. What else where you preparing for?

I wonder whether Russia's ballistic missiles and nuclear arsenal work more than 50%.

In short the Russians were not ready for 21st century modern warfare.

Their whole doctrine is soviet and total war based.

Then again the soviets actually planned on nuclear attacks in Europe while sending soldiers in after the nuclear attacks.

These guys just dont give a shit about their own kind.
 

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In short the Russians were not ready for 21st century modern warfare.

Their whole doctrine is soviet and total war based.

Then again the soviets actually planned on nuclear attacks in Europe while sending soldiers in after the nuclear attacks.

These guys just dont give a shit about their own kind.
I think extreme amount of foreign aid, Intel and training shouldn't be underestimated. I believe without arming Ukrainians with Javelins, manpads and other Anti-Tank missiles to the teeth, the invaders would have taken heavy causalities but pushed through Kiev in their initial plan. The amount of Aid Ukraine received since now is similar to Russias annual Military budget pre war
 
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I think extreme amount of foreign aid, Intel and training shouldn't be underestimated. I believe without arming Ukrainians with Javelins, manpads and other Anti-Tank missiles to the teeth, the invaders would have taken heavy causalities but pushed through Kiev in their initial plan. The amount of Aid Ukraine received since now is similar to Russias annual Military budget pre war
so what? Wasn't russia prepared to take on west even with small amount of western supplies they were stopped.
 

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That's not an option. They don't have the equipment to equip the newly arrived soldiers. The newly arrived soldiers will simply be slaughtered.
This reminds me the film “Enemy at the gates” where in Stalingrad every 2 Russian soldiers were given 1 rifle to share. If your partner carrying the gun was shot you would inherit the rifle. There were teams behind the soldiers to shoot the deserters.
It may not be as dire as that film but having exhausted most of their so called modern equipment and ammunition, the new Russian recruits will have a very hard time to fight against the ever improving Ukrainian war machine supported by the western tech.
US’s decision to use 300billion dollar Russian funds for reparation of Ukraine, is going to improve Ukrainian position even further.
 

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Ukraine live briefing: Russians protest Putin’s military mobilization; Zelensky urges ‘just punishment’​


U.S. and European leaders on Wednesday swiftly condemned Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to call up as many as 300,000 reservists in his war against Ukraine, a move that sparked protests across Russia and soaring demand for one-way flights out of the country.

Speaking to the U.N. General Assembly, President Biden accused Putin of attempting to extinguish Ukraine’s “right to exist,” and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said his citizens “demand just punishment” for Russia’s actions during the war. Here’s the latest on the war and its ripple effects across the globe.



Key developments​


  • Two U.S. military veterans and five Britons were among the nearly 300 people released Wednesday as part of an elaborate prisoner exchange between Moscow and Kyiv. The deal, brokered by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, also led to the release of 215 Ukrainians and 55 Russians. Viktor Medvedchuk, a pro-Kremlin opposition politician from Ukraine who is considered a close friend of Putin’s, was also released. Bridget A. Brink, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, thanked the Ukrainian government early Thursday for securing the Americans’ release, and said in a tweet, “my thoughts this morning are with the released POWs, and with their loved ones.”
  • Putin’s partial military mobilization represents a major escalation in the war after Moscow suffered embarrassing setbacks, including a retreat from the Kharkiv region in northeastern Ukraine. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the mobilization “reflects the Kremlin’s struggles on the battlefield, the unpopularity of the war, and Russians’ unwillingness to fight in it.”
  • Thousands of Russians took to public spaces to protest after Putin’s announcement, with authorities making at least 1,300 arrests in a single day, according to the human rights group OVD-Info. Video footage from rallies across the country shows police officers pushing protesters to the ground, stuffing them into buses and, in at least one instance, attempting to punch an apparent protester in the head on a busy street.


  • Zelensky’s passionate appeal to the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday focused on his desire for peace and “just punishment” for Russia. He proposed a five-part “peace formula,” which included requests he has made publicly before, such as sanctions against Russia, visa restrictions for Russian citizens and additional defense and financial support for Ukraine.

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  • Five people were injured and at least one person died in overnight strikes on the city of Zaporizhzhia, regional governor Oleksandr Starukh said Thursday on Telegram. Residential buildings were destroyed by rockets, he said, adding that the extent of the damage was still being clarified. Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office, said nine rockets hit a hotel, trapping people under the rubble. He said a power station was also struck, leaving people in the south of Zaporizhzhia without electricity.
  • Mykolaiv, in southern Ukraine, was “subjected to massive rocket fire” overnight into Thursday, Vitaliy Kim, the regional governor, said. While no one was injured or killed in the strikes, which largely came in the form of S-300 antiaircraft missiles, residential and government buildings were damaged, as well as gas and water pipes, a cinema and a theater, Kim said. Air raid sirens were reportedly still ringing around 10 a.m. local time.
  • “Russia is likely to struggle with the logistical and administrative challenges of even mustering the 300,000 personnel,” Britain’s Ministry of Defense said Thursday following Putin’s announcement of a partial military mobilization. The ministry assessed that those called up to serve “are unlikely to be combat effective for months.”
  • Moscow-backed officials in occupied parts of Ukraine announced plans this week to hold “referendums” from Friday to Tuesday on the prospect of joining Russia. The moves indicate an escalation in Russia’s apparent plans to annex swaths of Ukraine. The votes would be illegal under Ukrainian and international law.

Global impact​


  • The U.N. Security Council will meet to discuss the war in Ukraine on Thursday during the U.N. General Assembly. The session will involve a debate on the “maintenance of peace and security of Ukraine,” according to the council agenda. U.N. Secretary General António Guterres and International Criminal Court chief prosecutor Karim Khan are set to address the 15-country body, according to Reuters.
  • E.U. foreign policy chief Josep Borrell denounced Russia’s plans for the next phase of the war, vowing at an emergency meeting of the bloc’s foreign ministers that E.U. members would increase E.U. military support to Ukraine and study a new set of sanctions against Russia. Borrell condemned Russia’s plan to stage sham referendums, as well as Putin’s plan for partial military mobilization.
  • At the U.N. General Assembly, President Biden accused Putin of “irresponsible nuclear threats” and “reckless disregard for the responsibilities of the nonproliferation regime,” hours after Putin warned in his speech that Russia might use nuclear weapons if threatened. Biden also rebuked Russia’s invasion in general, saying: “This war is about extinguishing Ukraine’s right to exist as a state, plain and simple, and Ukraine’s right to exist as a people. Whoever you are, wherever you live, whatever you believe, that should make your blood run cold.”
  • North Korea has denied claims that it exported weapons or ammunition to Russia and said it has “no plans” to do so, according to a statement released Thursday by the government-run Korean Central News Agency. A U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity about a newly declassified intelligence report, told The Washington Post this month that Moscow was suffering from severe supply shortages and was preparing to buy “millions of rockets and artillery shells” from Pyongyang.
 
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It may not be as dire as that film
For now Sir, for now...

The situation of the Russian army, I guess, will be at least as pathetic in the spring of 2023 as it was during the defense of Stalingrad. There will be neither proper armored nor a defense industry to replace them at the front. Putin will be the greatest traitor who betrayed Russia.
 

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It boggles my mind.

Ukraine does not even have half the stuff Russia has. They are the true underdog dont forget how people even said including me that Russia was going to sweep them aside.

Look how wrong we were.


Did Ukraine even have 10% of what Russia had at the start of the war? As much as Russia has been a clown show, Ukraine has performed exceptionally.
 

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Did Ukraine even have 10% of what Russia had at the start of the war? As much as Russia has been a clown show, Ukraine has performed exceptionally.

Ukraine after independance inherited the Soviet Union's bombers and other stuff but they either scrapped them or transferred them to Russia to be neutral.

Same with their nuclear weapons.
 

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Ukraine after independance inherited the Soviet Union's bombers and other stuff but they either scrapped them or transferred them to Russia to be neutral.

Same with their nuclear weapons.

yeah what i mean is Russia claims to have something like 1200 fighter jets and Ukraine had only about 40. If we did the numbers did Ukraine have even 10% of the material that Russia had going in?
 

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Did Ukraine even have 10% of what Russia had at the start of the war? As much as Russia has been a clown show, Ukraine has performed exceptionally.
Since 2000 Russia spent 1300 billion on military, Ukraine - 60 bln. 22 times difference.

Ukraine was not mobilized when war started that allowed Russia to capture large territories in south with empty plains. Once front lines were formed Russian advances virtually stopped. They still advanced very very slowly in some parts due to overwhelming artillery advantage. But in July even this slow advance stopped.
 

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