Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[UkroTurk]

The annexation of Kherson with a so-called referendum, the project of connecting the Baltic to the Black Sea will be under Russian control, and the new trade route in the Baltic, Dnieper and Black Sea connection, which is the exit to the Black Sea, will be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575888627367673877

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Think with eurasia canal project,

and also with Turkiye's policy transition against west.

Russia's game, or let's say its goals, is evaluated in a very narrow framework by some circles. But Russia's moves are steps towards a broader strategy.

This baltic-black sea route has been dead so far. İt doesn't have any strategical and economical value.

 

[Lool]

US will help Ukraine return its territories - Biden
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Joe Biden assured of further support for Ukraine

Biden said the US condemns Russia's fraudulent attempt to annex sovereign Ukrainian territory.

US President Joe Biden said that the States will continue to support Ukraine's efforts to regain control over the territories seized by Russia


According to him, the US condemns Russia's fraudulent attempt to annex sovereign Ukrainian territory.

"Russia violates international law, flouts the Charter of the United Nations, and demonstrates its disdain for peaceful peoples everywhere. Make no mistake: these actions lack legitimacy. The United States will always respect Ukraine's internationally recognized borders. We will continue to support Ukraine's efforts to regain control over its territory by strengthening its position militarily and diplomatically, including through additional $1.1 billion in security assistance that the United States announced this week," Biden said.

He noted that in response to the annexation attempts, the United States, along with allies and partners, is today announcing new sanctions.

"These sanctions will incur costs for individuals and entities - inside and outside of Russia - that provide political or economic support for illegal attempts to change the status of the territory of Ukraine. We will rally the international community to condemn these steps and hold Russia accountable," the US President stressed.

According to him, the States will continue to supply Ukraine with the equipment it needs for self-defense.

"I look forward to Congress signing legislation that will provide an additional $12 billion to support Ukraine," Biden said.

He called on the world to continue to support the people of Ukraine.

Recall that on Friday, September 30, the head of the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin, signed agreements on the "accession" of Ukrainian regions to the Russian Federation.

And President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky today announced the signing of an application for an accelerated entry into NATO.

Lets be honest here

NATO ownt accept Ukraine's admission into Ukraine as long as Russia controls even 1% of the country since Zelensky will just use Article 5 to force NATO into direct confrontation with Russia; something which neither Europe nor the US wants

It is a stupid move from Zelensky tbh since this will just either reduce NATO's credibility when they refuse Ukraine's admission and may even push some Nations towards Russia

 

[Barry]

Good, just carry on speaking against Putin. I find it pretty amusing that someone who is pseudo fascist like you speaks against kindered soul like Putin.

Man grow up.

 

[Bylis]

Sigh! Please read the previous post I replied to first and then read my very enthusiastic reply.

”Ukraine will come on top (battered, bruised but on top) and will get merry on his way with the financial aid, investment and unsurpassed political support from the West.”

And if this sentence is the one you base your opinion that I supposedly claim that Ukraine will be ”better”, then you must know that it was a comparison of two sides after the war!

Fellow forum members,
for crying out loud, stop picking up words from any given context. It’s deconstructive, counterproductive and makes you feel tired to “fix”.
Be mindful of the context where the text was placed. Please.

Actually, i saw the context you replied to: Ukraine will come out stronger,will leave the margins to become an important and strong state!
This conflict is a disaster for them,especially in a dwindling demographic spiral. Georgia is not thriving,yet they suffered the russian aggression! Analyse better,the wishful thinking is futile.

 

[Kathirz]

Lets be honest here

NATO ownt accept Ukraine's admission into Ukraine as long as Russia controls even 1% of the country since Zelensky will just use Article 5 to force NATO into direct confrontation with Russia; something which neither Europe nor the US wants

It is a stupid move from Zelensky tbh since this will just either reduce NATO's credibility when they refuse Ukraine's admission and may even push some Nations towards Russia

I doubt a lot Zelensky doing this movement without US support, but let's see...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575893318411509771

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575912394936795163

 

[Kathirz]

While Putin keeps poisoning their people with big concerts in Moscow center, thousands of men from the "outskirts" flee to a nightmare. Even other countries in the past had more dignity.

What this people doesn't know is the big picture of the situation, and it's looking like this:

 

[Lool]

I doubt a lot Zelensky doing this movement without US support, but let's see...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575893318411509771

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575912394936795163

You do realise that as long as one nation says NO, then it is impossible for Ukraine to join NATO right?
Germany will say NO, Italy will probably say NO, and maybe France as well

 

[Kathirz]

You do realise that as long as one nation says NO, then it is impossible for Ukraine to join NATO right?
Germany will say NO, Italy will probably say NO, and maybe France as well

I realize it and also expeling a rebellious member from the organization, the west is going to be together and the country who doesn't want to be in the west, can leave... freely.

What I think right now is Putin could make a nuclear test in Siberia to scare western people and trying to reach a cease fire agreedment. If that cease fire agreedment is signed, then Ukraine would never recover those territories, Russia will win a "small" victory and his offensive attitude will remain, and that it's unaceptable for Europe and more now with the Gas pipelines broken, those which tied Berlin to a much more anti-war position.

The time given to Russia after the fall of the soviets is gone, west will not accept this and especially with current Putin's political situation.

 

[Kathirz]

Poland emptying stocks

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575904145613389824

More weapons to be announced next week by US:

U.S. to announce new Ukraine aid package next week -White House

The U.S. will announce a new Ukraine security aid package next week, White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Lool]

I realize it and also expeling a rebellious member from the organization, the west is going to be together and the country who doesn't want to be in the west, can leave... freely.

What I think right now is Putin could make a nuclear test in Siberia to scare western people and trying to reach a cease fire agreedment. If that cease fire agreedment is signed, then Ukraine would never recover those territories, Russia will win a "small" victory and his offensive attitude will remain, and that it's unaceptable for Europe and more now with the Gas pipelines broken, those which tied Berlin to a much more anti-war position.

The time given to Russia after the fall of the soviets is gone, west will not accept this and especially with current Putin's political situation.

Mate
You think you can expel major EU economies like France, Italy, or Germany?

You have got to be kidding me right?

 

[GoatsMilk]

Actually, i saw the context you replied to: Ukraine will come out stronger,will leave the margins to become an important and strong state!
This conflict is a disaster for them,especially in a dwindling demographic spiral. Georgia is not thriving,yet they suffered the russian aggression! Analyse better,the wishful thinking is futile.

Ukraine will come out stronger.

Georgia was defeated by Russia and lost land. Ukraine is defeating Russia and will go down as the nation that ended Russia as a serious power. Before this war i couldnt see england, france or germany defeating Russia. But Ukraine working with far less is on their way. You come out stronger from that.

When this war is over Ukraine will have a serious state identity on their hands. In the past 200 years the biggest obstacle to a thriving and independent Ukraine was Russia that is coming to an end.

Ukraine will go into an era where they will not have to fear a Russian invasion again. They will enter a situation that they have not experienced in a long long time where their sovereignty and independence is no longer threatened.

Because the first thing Ukraine is going to do once this war is ended, is to beef up their military and considering how well they have fought with so little, Russia wont dare invade them again unless colossal changes occur in the nation.

 

[Lool]

Ukraine will come out stronger.

Georgia was defeated by Russia and lost land. Ukraine is defeating Russia and will go down as the nation that ended Russia as a serious power. Before this war i couldnt see england, france or germany defeating Russia. But Ukraine working with far less is on their way. You come out stronger from that.

When this war is over Ukraine will have a serious state identity on their hands. In the past 200 years the biggest obstacle to a thriving and independent Ukraine was Russia that is coming to an end.

Ukraine will go into an era where they will not have to fear a Russian invasion again. They will enter a situation that they have not experienced in a long long time where their sovereignty and independence is no longer threatened.

Because the first thing Ukraine is going to do once this war is ended, is to beef up their military and considering how well they have fought with so little, Russia wont dare invade them again unless colossal changes occur in the nation.

That is to say that Putin wont use nukes the moment he is 100% guaranteed to lose!

Rn, the Ukrainians have a bit of an edge; if more successes are achieved, then the pressure on Putin will increase and he will resort to Nuclear weapons 100%!

And tbh, Ukrainians arent fighting alone since they have the support of nearly the whole west and the supply of more advanced weaponry than what Russia uses like Himar and TB2!
No nation stood with Georgia when it was annexed but a lot of factors forced the West to stand with Ukraine and this is a good point to remember. Therefore, we can be assured that Ukraine isnt fighting alone at all and may they win against Putin since if he got Ukraine, then it will be bad for everybody

 

[bisbis]

Ok, now I am convinced that you are a russian. And not someone from Azerbajcan.

Oops, I got caught. Yes, I am a dirty "gominiks" Russian listening to " Ah yalan dünya" by Neşet Ertaş.

Dear Altay, I just want the influence of the West and Russia in our region to be broken and the way for our Turkey to be cleared, and for our lands to quickly unite with the Caucasus and Central Asia. I think the Russians would love this map.

 

[UkroTurk]

OP predicted the time of the liberation of Liman

The Ukrainian military can liberate the city of Liman, Donetsk region, from Russian invaders in a few days.

According to various sources, from 2.5 to 5.5 thousand opponents were surrounded, Aleksey Arestovich, adviser to the Office of President Vladimir Zelensky, said on Feygin Live.

"There are no complete data. According to some data, it is already completely surrounded, according to others, they retain a certain ability to exit through Zarechnoye ... strictly to the east, but the road is under the fire control of Ukrainian artillery, at least ... the situation is developing dynamically there ...", - he noted.

 

[UkroTurk]

NATO : signs of complete failure of Putin's strategic plans for the war in Ukraine

There are signs that Vladimir Putin's strategic plans for Ukraine have failed, says NATO Secretary General


Jens Stoltenberg says that mobilization, threats to use nuclear weapons and an attempt to annex Ukrainian territories - all this testifies to the complete failure of the strategic plans of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the war against Ukraine.

According to an UNIAN correspondent, Stoltenberg said this at a press conference in Brussels.

"This is a defining moment. Putin has mobilized hundreds of thousands more troops, is resorting to irresponsible nuclear saber-rattling, and has now illegally annexed more Ukrainian territory. This is collectively the most serious escalation since the start of the war. None of this shows strength. It shows weakness. This is an admission that the war is not going according to plan and that Putin has completely failed in his strategic goals," Stoltenberg stressed.


He stressed that Ukraine is the victim, and Russia is the aggressor.

"If Russia stops fighting, peace will come. If Ukraine stops fighting, it will cease to exist as an independent and sovereign state in Europe," Stoltenberg added.

 

[Merzifonlu]

You do realise that as long as one nation says NO, then it is impossible for Ukraine to join NATO right?
Germany will say NO, Italy will probably say NO, and maybe France as well

No one, I repeat, no one will say "NO". Putler made all the mistakes he could potentially make, one by one, except for the last one. If NATO steps back from this point on, no NATO member will be safe. No one will step back, because you cannot live in fear.

 

[Mailman]

Russians are behaving as if there is no advancing Ukrainian army and that their army isn't on the run. Russia has lost in Ukraine, its going to keep playing out over the next year until they are completely removed from Ukraine. Nuclear threats is desperation from Putin who knows he is in big big trouble.

As for Turkey we can never transition away from the west. Our geography doesn't allow for it and the west has offered and given Turkey so much. Even our military developments today are a by product of western investments. I still think half our trade is with Europe.

Turks must break out of this binary mindset that if i'm honest got pushed with the silly secular/islamist narratives. Our job is to create as many connections with both the east and west, to benefit from all the things they have to offer, while limiting their hostility towards Turkey by hedging these competing powers and their interests against each other.

We are one of the few races on earth who have a people that can connect with eastern and western cultures easily, we should be using this to our advantage. We can walk the streets of berlin and blend in going unnoticed in the same way we can walk the streets of Cairo. Meanwhile our people have more history in china then they do Istanbul.

Huh, guys! It is not my business, but the first reasonable voice from the point where I am standing.

Definitely Türkiye is a big player in the game and you can praise yourself for that . Do we, people in the West, think all the time about Türkiye and about dominating over it- definitely not. Yes, Türkiye is located between east and west. We too, here in Estonia. This position has it advantages and it's shortcomings. Play on your strong cards what you have and the rest is upon higher powers who watch over us.

 

[Kathirz]

Mate
You think you can expel major EU economies like France, Italy, or Germany?

You have got to be kidding me right?

Well, mayor power and ally in EU is Germany and right now, they don't have other choice than end the war with a good result for their and EU interests and that's no other than a RU defeat. Bear in mind Germany has no North Streams for years and they have nuclear deterrence thanks to US nuclear weapons on their territory.
NATO born to counter Soviet Union, so I don't know a very good reason for not accepting UKR against "soviet union remains".

We could discuss a lot about France and Italy but it seems you were right on your main opinion and Zelensky slipped by making such an announcement without having the result well tied:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575944359794864129

It seems a political failure for them.

 

[Rodeo]

No one, I repeat, no one will say "NO". Putler made all the mistakes he could potentially make, one by one, except for the last one. If NATO steps back from this point on, no NATO member will be safe. No one will step back, because you cannot live in fear.

It's not as simple as saying "YES" at this point. If you say "YES" that effectively means that you're in direct war with Russia and you're sending your soldiers to the front. Because that will happen after the accession. And I'm sure there're at least a few countries who won't entertain the idea of being war against Russia and risk getting nuked for it.

However, something has to be done. I think NATO countries should switch to semi-war economy and light the furnaces for weapons mass-production. At first, the countries should start sending from their own inventory and keep feeding the Ukrainians with the most advanced weapons thereafter. This should be enough for Ukraine's victory.

 

[UkroTurk]

The next step is that all NATO member states must issue an invitation to Ukraine to join the Alliance, - Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba

Meanwhile, the United States noted that it is not against Ukraine's entry into NATO, but now is not the best time for this.

Meanwhile, Arestovich makes predictions that Ukraine could join NATO as early as July next year at a summit in Vilnius.