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Talk about being a “decisive enabler”:
India has increased its imports of Russian oil by approximately 1,800% since before the war in Ukraine began.

— While India's increase was substantial, China only increased its Russian oil imports by 43% during the same period.
— India's increased imports have compensated for almost 70% of Russia's revenue loss from the European Union.
— India's purchases have put $37 billion into Moscow's coffers, undermining Western sanctions aimed at isolating Russia economically.
I hope EU is prepared to sanction everyone at this moment.
 

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Talk about being a “decisive enabler”:
India has increased its imports of Russian oil by approximately 1,800% since before the war in Ukraine began.

One of the West’s biggest geopolitical mistakes right now is courting India in order to counter China. They are repeating the mistake of the US when it courted China to counter the Soviet Union. It seems Western leaders never learn from their mistakes.

India has proven over and over again that it is not trustworthy and once it has enough power on its own it will turn against the West.
 

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Norway 🇳🇴 has agreed to transfer an IRIS-T SLM air defense battery to Ukraine in cooperation with Germany 🇩🇪. The battery will arrive in Ukraine during the fall.

While a step down from Patriot and SAMP/T, Iris-T is extremely accurate and easily intercepts Russian cruise missiles and drones. It's simply not ballistic missile interceptor.

 

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One of the West’s biggest geopolitical mistakes right now is courting India in order to counter China. They are repeating the mistake of the US when it courted China to counter the Soviet Union. It seems Western leaders never learn from their mistakes.

India has proven over and over again that it is not trustworthy and once it has enough power on its own it will turn against the West.
What you expect? Everyone will remain slaves of the united states like Europe?. Europe doesnt matter when it comes to the Asia pacific. Most of you guys were happy doing business with china and even joined the belt and road initiative for crying out loud.Nobody in the asia pacific is going to feel secure by having any security guaranteed by a european nation and we dont need to sacrifice our economy for your problems.
 
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What you expect? Everyone will remain slaves of the united states like Europe?. Europe doesnt matter when it comes to the Asia pacific. Most of you guys were happy doing business with china and even joined the belt and road initiative for crying out loud.Nobody in the asia pacific is going to feel secure by having any security guaranteed by a european nation and we dont need to sacrifice our economy for your problems.

As an independent country, you are free to pursue your own path. But from a European prspective, India is no better than China. You are adding coal capacity to your energy grid at an alarming rate, and you are saving Russia’s economy by purchasing their oil when they got sanctioned.

My problem is with Western leaders who act as if India is their friend, in a desperate attempt to counter China, when the reality is that India is just another China. There is no real difference between the two. You don’t care about the decarbonization efforts of the EU (more and more coal power plants are being built in India) and you help Russia to avoid the sanctions.

Why should India be treated different than China, when it acts in the exact same way?
 

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As an independent country, you are free to pursue your own path. But from a European prspective, India is no better than China. You are adding coal capacity to your energy grid at an alarming rate, and you are saving Russia’s economy by purchasing their oil when they got sanctioned.

My problem is with Western leaders who act as if India is their friend, in a desperate attempt to counter China, when the reality is that India is just another China. There is no real difference between the two. You don’t care about the decarbonization efforts of the EU (more and more coal power plants are being built in India) and you help Russia to avoid the sanctions.

Why should India be treated different than China, when it acts in the exact same way?
Europe can treat us anyway they want. In the end US will always see the benefit of relationship with india and other states in the region for the mutual benefit they can provide instead of being the clowns who will shut all their nuclear power stations in the name of de carbonisation only to run back to coal powered stations when russian oil stopped. India and china care about providing basic utilities to their people cheaply instead of the activism that the clown state of EU follows. Europeans need to get of their high horse and accept reality.
 

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As an independent country, you are free to pursue your own path. But from a European prspective, India is no better than China. You are adding coal capacity to your energy grid at an alarming rate, and you are saving Russia’s economy by purchasing their oil when they got sanctioned.

My problem is with Western leaders who act as if India is their friend, in a desperate attempt to counter China, when the reality is that India is just another China. There is no real difference between the two. You don’t care about the decarbonization efforts of the EU (more and more coal power plants are being built in India) and you help Russia to avoid the sanctions.

Why should India be treated different than China, when it acts in the exact same way?

I mean, you do realise EU per capita greenhouse gas emission is over 7 metric tons and in India it is just under 2 metric tons?

Proportionally, West is still significantly emits more greenhouse gas than anyone else.
 

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I mean, you do realise EU per capita greenhouse gas emission is over 7 metric tons and in India it is just under 2 metric tons?

Proportionally, West is still significantly emits more greenhouse gas than anyone else.

It is about the trends and the directions where each is going, which reflects the current policies (not the past).

Since 1990, the EU emmissions have decreased by 26%.
In the same period, China increased emmissions by 526%, India by 448% and Indonesia by 430% (while the US stayed flat).

So all the efforts of the EU to reduce emmissions have been in vain, as China, India and Indonesia (together with other smaller countries in Asia and Africa) are increasing emmissions at a very fast pace.

India is one of the countries that is sabotaging both of EU’s main global policies, which are defeating Russia in Ukraine and reducing global emmissions. Why are they not seen as an adversary is beyond comprehension, as they directly act against the interests of the EU.
 

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India and china care about providing basic utilities to their people cheaply instead of the activism that the clown state of EU follows. Europeans need to get of their high horse and accept reality.

You are right that Europeans need to slow down in their decarbonization efforts, as they are totally in vain considering the actions of China and India. At this point, Europe is hurting itself by sacrificing its own prosperity for the benefit of the whole world, while China and India don’t care at all about the rest.

But the current situation when they speak about combating climate change without criticizing China, India and Indonesia is just ridiculous.
 

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It is about the trends and the directions where each is going, which reflects the current policies (not the past).

Since 1990, the EU emmissions have decreased by 26%.
In the same period, China increased emmissions by 526%, India by 448% and Indonesia by 430% (while the US stayed flat).

So all the efforts of the EU to reduce emmissions have been in vain, as China, India and Indonesia (together with other smaller countries in Asia and Africa) are increasing emmissions at a very fast pace.

India is one of the countries that is sabotaging both of EU’s main global policies, which are defeating Russia in Ukraine and reducing global emmissions. Why are they not seen as an adversary is beyond comprehension, as they directly act against the interests of the EU.

Those nations needs to be industrialized obviously. EU or USA can't simply say, okay cool, we got our Industries but everyone must stop now.
 

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You are right that Europeans need to slow down in their decarbonization efforts, as they are totally in vain considering the actions of China and India. At this point, Europe is hurting itself by sacrificing its own prosperity for the benefit of the whole world, while China and India don’t care at all about the rest.

But the current situation when they speak about combating climate change without criticizing China, India and Indonesia is just ridiculous.

Morally, you can only critize them if their emmissions per capita exceeds the West's per capita emmission. Even that is questionable as West outsource manufacturing to these countries.
 

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You are right that Europeans need to slow down in their decarbonization efforts, as they are totally in vain considering the actions of China and India. At this point, Europe is hurting itself by sacrificing its own prosperity for the benefit of the whole world, while China and India don’t care at all about the rest.

But the current situation when they speak about combating climate change without criticizing China, India and Indonesia is just ridiculous.
How nice of you high beings to sacrifice so much for us mere beasts.we are just ignorant fools who cant comprehend the sacrifices the EU is making for the world. If it was a man EU would have been struck to a cross and we beasts would have started a religion.
 

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