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Ukraine has flown its first combat missions with an F-16
www.telegraph.co.uk
F-16 fighter jets finally fly in Ukraine in major boost for Kyiv
The much-vaunted arrival of the warplanes will be met by significant fanfare given their potential role in Ukraine’s fight against Russia
www.telegraph.co.uk
Lithuanian Foreign Minister officially confirmed the delivery of F-16s to Ukraine.
Gary, i didn't see many ever claiming Ukraine would win?
Regardless of recent progress, it is still and probably always will be, the most embarrassing war fought by a superpower in history. It's been an absolutely pathetic battlefield display from Russia, and Putin's leadership has been an absolute joke.
Even Americas huge failures in Vietnam doesn't come close to this. Ukraine could capitulate tomorrow and it wouldn't change what this has done to Putin and his army's reputation.
- The first stage of the war will be studied for years to come as the most botched large scale invasion in history. I could give a hundred anecdotes, but the stalled miles long convoy was the craziest thing i've seen for a long time.
- Incredible loss of manpower and equipment. Russia has probably lost more men and equipment than all of the Wests post WW2 conflicts combined.
- A Wagner mutiny! A PMC breezing through the country almost entirely unopposed
- A 'superpower' releasing convicts to fight on the front line!
- An army so ill disciplined and poorly equipped and motivated, the Russians need to have a whole extra defensive lines to force their own troops to fight and not retreat / flee
- Tanks from the 1960's being deployed on the front line.....cope cages!!
- Buddying up with, and begging North Korea of all places to keep them supplied
- Soldiers putting their lives on the line and not even being paid
Dress it up how you like, but some of the things we have seen Russia resort to I would expect to see from a third world country trying to enact a war of survival. Not what i expect from a 'superpower'.
You seem to relish the suffering in this war. Speaks volumes as to your character. Its an absolute tragedy, as all wars are, and this applies to the 100.000's of Russian men who have lost their lives for 'special operation'.
Regardless of the outcome and likely victory for Russia, nothing will undo the fact that Putin has made himself and his whole country a laughing stock. Putin has just proved that is country is now a second rate military power who are only able to achieve combat success if they outnumber the opponent by a ridiculous degree. The gap between their capabilities and America's is bigger than its ever been.
The USA, fighting a country on its own border which has similar capabilities and equipment to Ukraine, would have taken o the whole country in under a week (and then began to botch the follow up!) Here's Putin 2 years in and still not even half way there!! It's actually kind of sad seeing the once mighty Russia acting like this, the Russian people deserve so much better.
Regardless of recent progress, it is still and probably always will be, the most embarrassing war fought by a superpower in history. It's been an absolutely pathetic battlefield display from Russia, and Putin's leadership has been an absolute joke.
Even Americas huge failures in Vietnam doesn't come close to this. Ukraine could capitulate tomorrow and it wouldn't change what this has done to Putin and his army's reputation.
- The first stage of the war will be studied for years to come as the most botched large scale invasion in history. I could give a hundred anecdotes, but the stalled miles long convoy was the craziest thing i've seen for a long time.
- Incredible loss of manpower and equipment. Russia has probably lost more men and equipment than all of the Wests post WW2 conflicts combined.
- A Wagner mutiny! A PMC breezing through the country almost entirely unopposed
- A 'superpower' releasing convicts to fight on the front line!
- An army so ill disciplined and poorly equipped and motivated, the Russians need to have a whole extra defensive lines to force their own troops to fight and not retreat / flee
- Tanks from the 1960's being deployed on the front line.....cope cages!!
- Buddying up with, and begging North Korea of all places to keep them supplied
- Soldiers putting their lives on the line and not even being paid
Dress it up how you like, but some of the things we have seen Russia resort to I would expect to see from a third world country trying to enact a war of survival. Not what i expect from a 'superpower'.
You seem to relish the suffering in this war. Speaks volumes as to your character. Its an absolute tragedy, as all wars are, and this applies to the 100.000's of Russian men who have lost their lives for 'special operation'.
Regardless of the outcome and likely victory for Russia, nothing will undo the fact that Putin has made himself and his whole country a laughing stock. Putin has just proved that is country is now a second rate military power who are only able to achieve combat success if they outnumber the opponent by a ridiculous degree. The gap between their capabilities and America's is bigger than its ever been.
The USA, fighting a country on its own border which has similar capabilities and equipment to Ukraine, would have taken o the whole country in under a week (and then began to botch the follow up!) Here's Putin 2 years in and still not even half way there!! It's actually kind of sad seeing the once mighty Russia acting like this, the Russian people deserve so much better.
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Dear Mr Carlito of England.
First, If there's anything we could agree upon is that Russian military performance in the first 1-2 years of this conflict is laughable. I don't see myself getting offended by this fact, on the contrary it increase my own standings because just before the start of hostilities I wrote and debate extensively about the true capability of the Russian army vs blackjack.
From Jan 2, 2022
So when the Russian army was stuck on their way to Kyiv and the Ukrainian air force simply escape early destruction at the tarmac, I felt good, for myself.
Second, whilst Russia made so many mistake, their sheer size make up for the deficiency. Putin is a very good national leader, but he's not very bright when it comes to military affairs, add that with the fact that cronyism basically put people like Shoigu in charge. So it's no surprise that Russian military performance was abysmal early in the war. But again Russia's sheer size allows them to make mistake and gets away with it. Ukraine ? not so much.
Third, the past is the past, it's no use talking about the glory days when Ukraine could stop an entire Russian army in it's track, or how magnificent was the Kharkiv counter offensive. Right now, Ukraine is losing and will to continue to lose. They have lost their best man already, their conscript are unwilling and morale has dropped and it will continue to do so over time. The army we saw in the opening of 2022 and 2023 is no longer there.
Fourth, I don't see anything wrong with Russia turning to its allies (like NK) for weapons and ammo. This is the very reason why alliance are nurtured btw. Russia is fighting the combined might of NATO and the fact that their own production + NK's ammo supply is 7x larger than the entire West output is something I can commend.
Fifth, I never relish the suffering of this war. The war must stop, Zelensky should pack his bag and stop sacrificing his men for to maintain his power. He is an un-elected leader that must go. Ukrainians are fleeing en-masse because of this. Ukrainians, the day of your liberation is near, the tyrant will soon be gone. the days of deceiving cruelty that Zelensky imposed on you will eventually comes to a halt. As we speak, the Russian army is doing its outmost to reach you, the only barrier between you and the liberating army is Zelensky. So hold tight until help arrive.
First, If there's anything we could agree upon is that Russian military performance in the first 1-2 years of this conflict is laughable. I don't see myself getting offended by this fact, on the contrary it increase my own standings because just before the start of hostilities I wrote and debate extensively about the true capability of the Russian army vs blackjack.
From Jan 2, 2022
Moving on to a supposed vulnerability of airbases to ballistic missiles. Contrary to popular beliefs, Airpower remains the best way to counter ballistic missiles. In an actual combat, the movement of a battalion of lets say an Iskander ballistic missile battalion WILL be noticed by superior NATO ISR and intelligence.
If the commanders sees an imminent missile strike on its airbase, they could order a scramble. Remember that most ballistic missiles uses GPS/INS guidance that means the coordinate are uploaded before the launch. if in those 1 hour or so when the the coordinates are uploaded the fighters are no longer present it would be no use. At best those launches are a complete waste of missiles.
Now Just to inform fighter jets could scramble in just mere 5 minutes.
Ready Five, also referred to as Alert Five in the film Top Gun, is a condition of high alert for aircraft crews on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, in which they are ready to launch within five minutes. Fighter aircraft are placed on the steam catapult complete with flight crew, armament, and fuel, ready to defend the carrier battle group from any unforeseen threat.
Ready 5 - Wikipedia
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Yeah good luck trying to wipe them in their airbase. I haven't even mentioned how NATO had been training to use highways as alternatives to airfields.
So when the Russian army was stuck on their way to Kyiv and the Ukrainian air force simply escape early destruction at the tarmac, I felt good, for myself.
Second, whilst Russia made so many mistake, their sheer size make up for the deficiency. Putin is a very good national leader, but he's not very bright when it comes to military affairs, add that with the fact that cronyism basically put people like Shoigu in charge. So it's no surprise that Russian military performance was abysmal early in the war. But again Russia's sheer size allows them to make mistake and gets away with it. Ukraine ? not so much.
Third, the past is the past, it's no use talking about the glory days when Ukraine could stop an entire Russian army in it's track, or how magnificent was the Kharkiv counter offensive. Right now, Ukraine is losing and will to continue to lose. They have lost their best man already, their conscript are unwilling and morale has dropped and it will continue to do so over time. The army we saw in the opening of 2022 and 2023 is no longer there.
Fourth, I don't see anything wrong with Russia turning to its allies (like NK) for weapons and ammo. This is the very reason why alliance are nurtured btw. Russia is fighting the combined might of NATO and the fact that their own production + NK's ammo supply is 7x larger than the entire West output is something I can commend.
Fifth, I never relish the suffering of this war. The war must stop, Zelensky should pack his bag and stop sacrificing his men for to maintain his power. He is an un-elected leader that must go. Ukrainians are fleeing en-masse because of this. Ukrainians, the day of your liberation is near, the tyrant will soon be gone. the days of deceiving cruelty that Zelensky imposed on you will eventually comes to a halt. As we speak, the Russian army is doing its outmost to reach you, the only barrier between you and the liberating army is Zelensky. So hold tight until help arrive.
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It's important for people to have reasonable expectations of Ukraine's F-16s, given the quantity of them they posses and the limitations they are facing because of a shortage of pilots.
The first F-16s are largely going to be used as airborne air defense platforms. The most common loadout for an F-16 in an air-to-air roll is 4x AIM-120 AMRAAMS and 2x AIM-9 Sidewinders, both of which are extremely capable of intercepting Russian drones and cruise missiles. A flight of two F-16s being able to neutralize 12 targets will add another layer of air defense for the Ukrainian military.
As Ukraine's pilot cadre builds and the number of F-16s in their arsenal increases, expect wild weasel missions to commence, but that certainly won't be the case right away. Initially, any offensive role for the F-16s will be using long range weapons, behind their own SAM umbrella.
The first F-16s are largely going to be used as airborne air defense platforms. The most common loadout for an F-16 in an air-to-air roll is 4x AIM-120 AMRAAMS and 2x AIM-9 Sidewinders, both of which are extremely capable of intercepting Russian drones and cruise missiles. A flight of two F-16s being able to neutralize 12 targets will add another layer of air defense for the Ukrainian military.
As Ukraine's pilot cadre builds and the number of F-16s in their arsenal increases, expect wild weasel missions to commence, but that certainly won't be the case right away. Initially, any offensive role for the F-16s will be using long range weapons, behind their own SAM umbrella.
