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Several days ago Ukraine struck the massive Russia oil storage facility in Proletarsk, Rostov Oblast. This facility is one of Russia's largest and it was only built a few years ago. The facility continues to burn, with additional storage tanks catching fire. 22 of the 44 storage tanks have already caught fire. The cost of the damage / loss of oil is upwards of $250 million usd.

 

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I agree that the financial burden of supporting Ukraine is not large for the EU and can therefore be maintained as long as needed. I don't see Russia being able to sustain the cost of the war for as long as needed.

That’s exactly why Russia will lose in the end. Long attrition wars are won by the stronger economy.
 

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And they are US restrictions. They dont want russia to lose for whatever stupid reason.
Let Biden (and his administration) finally go and maybe next president will have some balls.
You're dreaming. Trump wants to leave Ukraine completely at the mercy of Russia. Kamala Harris won't do anything different than Biden.
 

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I expect Russia to break Ukraine in 24 months. Ukraine's eastern defences are cracking. By the way, I'm fully on Ukraine's side and I think the US should create a real functioning air force for Ukraine. Fighters should be operated by retired NATO pilots. This looks like the only way to level the playing field. Even then I don't think Ukraine has a chance to win unless Russian missile, UAV, shell, gliding bomb production is reduced to manageable levels.
 
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You're dreaming. Trump wants to leave Ukraine completely at the mercy of Russia. Kamala Harris won't do anything different than Biden.

Nobody knows what Trump will do once in office. This will be his second term, so he doesn’t have to compromise for the electorate, as he can’t run again. And don’t forget that Trump voters are sheep, they agree with whatever he says, so if he suddenly decides to win the war for Ukraine, his supporters will see strength in this.

Trump’s policy towards this war is unknown. Nobody knows how he will act after he meets Zelensky and visits Ukraine. He may change his opinion 180 degrees after that. And he will need to be tough on Russia just to prove to the media that he is not Putin’s puppet. Russians think that Trump will save them, but they thought the same with Meloni in Italy, and in the end she has been more hawkish against Russia than the old establishment.
 

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I expect Russia to break Ukraine in 24 months.

People expected Russia to break Ukraine in three days, and they couldn’t in two years. If the expectation now is 24 months, than it means they won’t be able to do it in two centuries.
 

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People already know that the Kursk operation was an act of desperation to bait Putin but it failed yet he said this shit
He really should have placed those highly trained soldiers in the Donbass front since it is more strategic and valuable than kursk
It was a good move politically to take some Russian territory. Now that 3 bridges used by Russia to supply Kursk are gone it is not going to be easy for Russia to retake it.
 

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He really should have placed those highly trained soldiers in the Donbass front since it is more strategic and valuable than kursk

I know it hurts when Russia gets beaten up, but let’s try to be serious for a moment.

The Kursk incursion captured more territory in two weeks than Russia did since the start of the year (8 months). Why would you use those troop to stop the last two weeks of Russian advances in the Donbass (to save 20 sqkm) when you can use them to attack Kursk and take 1250 sqkm?

I know Russian supporters are desperate to see how effective Ukrainians have been on taking Russian territory compared to the snail pace of Russian advances, but to say this is a mistake it’s just hilarious.

Invading Kursk was the best strategic decision of Ukraine since the blitz that helped regain a lot of territory in the Kharkov region. Of course it makes Russian supporters angry.
 

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It was a good move politically to take some Russian territory. Now that 3 bridges used by Russia to supply Kursk are gone it is not going to be easy for Russia to retake it.
Politically yes but this is the last thing to care about when their own land is being invaded by the Russians! Furthermore, retaking Kursk will ge way less costly compared to retaking Donbass both in terms of personnel and weaponry

Moreover, Kursk is mostly flat (as far as I know) while the Donbass region is a bloody natural fortress that is rich in natural resources...... it is a no brainer that Donabss should be given priority
 

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I know it hurts when Russia gets beaten up, but let’s try to be serious for a moment.

The Kursk incursion captured more territory in two weeks than Russia did since the start of the year (8 months). Why would you use those troop to stop the last two weeks of Russian advances in the Donbass (to save 20 sqkm) when you can use them to attack Kursk and take 1250 sqkm?

I know Russian supporters are desperate to see how effective Ukrainians have been on taking Russian territory compared to the snail pace of Russian advances, but to say this is a mistake it’s just hilarious.

Invading Kursk was the best strategic decision of Ukraine since the blitz that helped regain a lot of territory in the Kharkov region. Of course it makes Russian supporters angry.
Iam not a Russian supporter
I support Ukraine's cause for autonomy but I just hate Zelensky and his incompetency. What kind of idiot do you need to be to trust American demorcrats and to involve yourself in a war against an opponent that this 5 times your size in nearly every aspect by giving him an excuse to invade you

I will say it again; the kursk operation was meant to force Putin to relocate some of the Donabss fighters to the Kursk frontline in order to alleviate the immense pressure on Ukrainian army;[hell, reports on X (from pro-Ukrainian sources) were appearing that Ukrainian servicemen had to stay 30-40 days without being rotated while Russians where changing regularly on a 3-day basis..... this obviously failed!!]

Now Ukraine just opened another large front that it has no other choice but to invade deep in..... sooner or later, all the Ukrainian soldiers will be so deep that they will sooner or later get killed within the heart of Russia while Russia keeps on grabbing strategic lands within Donbass rhat they couldnt get for 2 years
 

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Now Ukraine just opened another large front that it has no other choice but to invade deep in..... sooner or later, all the Ukrainian soldiers will be so deep that they will sooner or later get killed within the heart of Russia while Russia keeps on grabbing strategic lands within Donbass rhat they couldnt get for 2 years
How do you get across the river Seym when you've blown the bridges? That stops everyone crossing - Ukrainians as well as Russians.
 

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Ukraine attempted to attack a nuclear power plant on occupied Russian territory.
 

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Iam not a Russian supporter
I support Ukraine's cause for autonomy but I just hate Zelensky and his incompetency. What kind of idiot do you need to be to trust American demorcrats and to involve yourself in a war against an opponent that this 5 times your size in nearly every aspect by giving him an excuse to invade you

Zelensky didn’t start the war. He was elected on a platform of reconciliation with Russia and trying to end the conflict. But Putin was having none of it, as he wanted to grab more land and change the regime in Kyiv, to bring back his old serfs in power and keep Ukraine as a vassal state, in the same way he keeps Belarus.

Russia didn’t need excuses to invade. They invaded because they didn’t want Ukraine to prosper as a free country and join the EU in the future. In this case, Zelensky had no choice but to rally his country to defend against the aggession.

I am not a fan of Zelensky, he has many failings, but he couldn’t avoid the war, and he certainly didn’t started it. One of his biggest failings is that he didn’t prepare enough for the war because he mistakenly though he could avoid it. Poroshenko was much more hawkish against Russia and would have been much better prepared against the invasion.

I will say it again; the kursk operation was meant to force Putin to relocate some of the Donabss fighters to the Kursk frontline in order to alleviate the immense pressure on Ukrainian army;[hell, reports on X (from pro-Ukrainian sources) were appearing that Ukrainian servicemen had to stay 30-40 days without being rotated while Russians where changing regularly on a 3-day basis..... this obviously failed!!]

Nobody knows what was the purpose of the Kursk operation. Of course that the Ukrainians will state to the media that they did it to allievate the pressure in the Donbass, in order to look defensive in nature, but it would be silly to take their word at face value considering the situation.

It is much more likely that they did it because they saw an opening and wanted to exploit it. They were able to capture a lot of land and to take many prisoners (for future exchanges) with relatively little losses, so the operation makes perfect sense from a strategic point of view. It would have been a waste to send those troops in the defence where they can’t explot the advantage of combined arms tactics and where the front is static.

Also, the operation raises the morale of Ukrainian troops and boosts the recruiting efforts, as people are more optimistic now and many Ukrainians are inspired by the idea of taking Russian land, as opposed to fighting a defensive battle where they are on the retreat.

Now Ukraine just opened another large front that it has no other choice but to invade deep in..... sooner or later, all the Ukrainian soldiers will be so deep that they will sooner or later get killed within the heart of Russia while Russia keeps on grabbing strategic lands within Donbass rhat they couldnt get for 2 years

They have the choice to go as deep as they want and can. Nobody forces them to overextend and reach indefensible positions. They are trying to move the frontier to the Seym river, which is a very defensible line that would not require a lot of effort to sustain. My assumption is that Ukraine will take the land that it can without heavy losses, and then fortify the positions that are easier to defend. Then, they can try to exploit other gaps in Russian defenses along the long border.

Let the Russians burn through their forces on a grinding assault in the Donbass where they get very little land for very big losses, while the Ukrainians take undefended lands near the border with little losses and lots of POWs. And on top of that, this is also causing political trouble at home for Putin, as Russians will not be happy to trade 1000 sqkm in Russia for 50 sqkm in the Donbass.
 

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Lots of news today...

Ukraine struck and destroyed the Russian ferry in the port of Kavkaz that Russia has been using to transport rail cars worth now supplies to Crimea.


Ukraine struck the Marinovka air base in the Volgograd region, destroying an ammunition storage facility and several hangars that may have held Russian fighter jets. Hours later there will still secondary detonations.



Ukraine struck and destroyed the Russian ammunition and fuel storage facility on the Kinburn Spit.


Aftermath of the Ukrainian strike on the Oktyabrsky airfield in Russia. Ukraine definitely hit something there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1ey87o4
Ukraine continues to hammer Russian air defense systems along the front. Over the last few days The 77th Airmobile Brigade alone destroyed 2x Tor, 1x Strela-10 and 1x Buk air defense system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoot...ne_take_out_russian_air_defense_complexes_2x/
 
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